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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
1503 messages, Last post on Nov 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 22, 2009 9:15 am) |
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 22, 2009 9:15 am) I really have no problem driving my gas guzzler Sequoia as long as the EPA has their head up you know where. For those of US that would like to use less fossil fuel, we are constantly blocked by the Federal Government. Tiguan TDI 4motion
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 24, 2009 6:40 pm) In 2009 with literally multiple decades of atempted "attitude" adjustment, good mpg cars (usually compact and even most mpg figures are.... poor ) are only less than 25% of the passenger vehicle fleet. The other 75% of the passenger fleet are cars that get so called LESS mpg !! Even with the current 27 mpg so called "standards," the real or defacto figures are between 18-22 mpg, if lucky, (aka WILDLY optimistic) . With SUV's being 12% of the population, folks who buy them are REALLY only complying with the Fed.Gov's (REAL) policy. The overwhelming majority of the fleet are gasoline. This is so even when diesel is acknowledged to be anywhere from 20-40% better ! Indeed it would be a very easy case to make, that the recent domestic auto industry debacle was due to folks NOT following the Fed.Gov policy !!!! (aka NOT buying LESS mpg vehicles like... SUV's !! I am sure you would agree, but it is difficult to buy more diesels when MORE diesels are not on the market. What does your SUV get.... 18 mpg ? Would you have bought a diesel Sequoia if it got 20-40 % better mph? (21.6 to 25.2) Probably the most germane question would be it was an available DIESEL option? Seems to have worked with the Jetta diesel. The IRS even gave the Jetta TDI a tax credit of $1,300!
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Replying to: rcarr7 (Oct 24, 2009 6:56 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 25, 2009 4:35 am) It all adds up to an EPA that is controlled by the oil companies. Gasoline started out as a waste product of the refining process and continues to this day. So why not get the masses to use it?
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 25, 2009 4:57 am)  142% !!?? 18 mpg, 35 mpg is a 94% gain. Again, what part of MASSIVE won't diesel deny 'ers acknowledge / understand? If I may also mention, the 35 mpg (almost) meets the small car definition of the new upcoming 2012 standards of 35.5 mpg !!
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Replying to: rcarr7 (Oct 25, 2009 6:31 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 25, 2009 7:34 am) The Jetta's 03 VW TDI vs the 09 VW TDI is a demonstration in "regulatory" speak. As vilified as TDI's were WAY back in 2003 (  ) Both are/were/continue to be... 50 state legal. The 03 (EPA 42/49) gets a range of 44 to 62 mpg and during a point a to b commute gets 48-52 mpg. . The 09 (EPA 29-30/40) gets a (SHORTER) range of 39-47 mpg and during the same point a to b commute gets 39-47 mpg. Either obviously exceeds the "old/current standard" of 27 mpg and the 2012, 35.5 mpg. ( both of course can be hypermiled to achieve... more) While slow to take hold www.edmunds.com does show 39 vehicles with the diesel option.
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 25, 2009 4:57 am) Eventually, diesels or no, hybrids or no, one of the greatest and cheapest gains in fuel economy we can achieve will be by slowing down these cars and trucks. Nobody needs to hit 60 mph in 7 seconds in a 5000-pound SUV like Gary's Sequoia. Nor do they in the average family sedan. |
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| I've driven several diesels in Europe, including a 2007 Passat and a 2006 Renault Espace. Both were fantastic. Punchy, torquey, and with enormous range (and delicious 6 speed manuals). I'd be very happy with either car here in the States.....but I do need a wagon. So far, VW seems the only company willing to oblige, and for some reason there is not one TDi Jetta Sportwagen for sale in the state of MD we could even test drive. | |
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