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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
1503 messages, Last post on Nov 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 17, 2009 5:01 am) |
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"GM product-development higher-ups are adamant that diesels are too costly for the U.S. market. They require complex and expensive exhaust aftertreatment to comply with the world's toughest diesel-emissions standards ("onboard chemical factories is one term repeatedly employed) - and U.S. diesel fuel is not taxed as advantageously as it is in Europe, where diesels have captured more than half of the region's light-vehicle market." New Cadillac GM Pondering the Diesel Equation (AutoObserver) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 18, 2009 10:38 am) However a VOLT can't even trump a Prius. Volt vs. Prius: Which Will Be Cheaper to Drive? Now if GM can price a VOLT  12-15k,... run a way hit in the making !!!!  BUT WAIT.... However given our green state's electrical rate (one of 88 rate tables and schedules and exceptions etc. etc, of app 44 cents per KWH, the cost per mile driven I have figured on another thread to be .1726 cents vs .057 cents per mile driven D2. So Volt is easily 3x more per mile driven than D2.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Aug 18, 2009 10:46 am) Whomever calculated the Volt to be 3x more expensive than diesel car to drive needs to go back to math school.
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 18, 2009 10:38 am) Tax per litre for ULSD is exactly same as for RUG here in U.K. and similar picture exists in other parts of EU also. Spain is an exception - for now. So, that's not a good reason, especially as Ford & GM already produce good small diesels to EU standards.  As they say; "There are lies, damned lies and Automakers excuses".
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Replying to: alltorque (Aug 18, 2009 11:46 am) "But Nesbitt said he's still too new to have formed a definitive opinion about whether Cadillac should look at diesels in the U.S. market." I guess he needs some more schooling. 
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 18, 2009 11:40 am) ..."I have figured on another thread to be .1726 cents vs .057 cents per mile driven D2. So Volt is easily 3x more per mile driven than D2. "... Well if you wanted more precision why didnt you say so? .1726/.057=3.0280701 TIMES more !! Or perhaps you need to get a crack u lator that works? Or perhaps you may have misplaced your instruction manual? |
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 18, 2009 12:13 pm) least the European market!! Why does it sound like they are trying to reinvent the wheel ???  link title Indeed GM is missing out on least half the (European) market by NOT offereing more diesels !??? Here is proof positive GM will have a hard time in the diesel market link title a 1.9 turbo diesel with 140 hp and 236 # ft of torque for a shade less than 37,000 US?? VW's 2.0 TDI with 140 hp and 236# ft is a shade over 20k ?? |
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 18, 2009 11:40 am) All your moaning about the electric rates in the largest auto market will not drop them one penny per KWH. I think it is probably the reason Toyota shelved the plug-in hybrid idea. We will NEVER see 5 cent night or day rates. I would be happy with the US average 10 cents per KWH. It could also be the reason CA pulled the tax incentives from Tesla. They realize EVs are a dead end street. It looks like I may just give up on a diesel SUV and guzzle the gas thanks to CARB and their ignorance. I am seriously thinking about the Golf TDI when it arrives for shopping and short trips. Plus those fun drives out in the back country that make diesel the choice for pleasure driving.
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 18, 2009 10:38 am) Translation: We don't WANT to compete - change the laws to favor us instead. Look, if VW of all companies can manage to make it work, even in California.. |
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