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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
1503 messages, Last post on Nov 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM
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Going through some of these e-mails, I'm still sickened by the inability of the majors making a decent-sized car with acceptable mileage. Then again, from my experience, the big-3 (2?) don't give a flying rip. I still can't get over Vauxhall/Opel (GM umbrella) denying me the ability to bring-back my Vectra. '52 plate. Elegance trim. 2.2-ltr Tdi, like the VW above. Bigger than my Accord I had before moving across the pond, yet, better gas mileage when tracked against the US standards instead of UK. Avg. 27-mpg city, 42-hwy. Couple times, hit 48-mpg but that was more cross-country driving. Fully loaded-down with suitcases and my family (4 of us). And GM exporting has the balls to ensure I don't bring it back here. Oh well. I've fallen-back into the wasteful ways here. Who knows? Maybe the other 2 will fall (hoping) and a major shake-up/reorg occurs that will force the mfgs. to build world-competitive consumer vehicles without the gouging just to cover some worker too lazy to perform a decent days labor. |
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Replying to: esk114 (Jul 16, 2009 6:48 pm) Welcome to the forum... You have said it all with that statement. If the automakers won't give US what is available World Wide. Why should I give a hoot about wasting gas? Then all the Climate Clowns wringing their hands and trying to make US feel guilty because we own an SUV that gets 14 MPG. When the same SUV is available outside the USA that will get 30+ MPG. The problem falls right on the shoulders of our worthless government. They make the rules just tough enough to keep diesels on the fringe. They are owned by the enviro nuts and oil companies that both detest diesel for different reasons. If we would just establish the same emissions rules the EU uses it would go a long ways to cutting our use of fossil fuel. The truth is, most of government are more interested in getting the taxes from gas guzzlers than they are in using less fuel. Why do you think this latest debacle will make it easy to trade a gas guzzler for another gas guzzler than for a high mileage vehicle? |
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Replying to: esk114 (Jul 16, 2009 6:48 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 16, 2009 7:37 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 17, 2009 5:01 am) |
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"GM product-development higher-ups are adamant that diesels are too costly for the U.S. market. They require complex and expensive exhaust aftertreatment to comply with the world's toughest diesel-emissions standards ("onboard chemical factories is one term repeatedly employed) - and U.S. diesel fuel is not taxed as advantageously as it is in Europe, where diesels have captured more than half of the region's light-vehicle market." New Cadillac GM Pondering the Diesel Equation (AutoObserver) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 18, 2009 10:38 am) However a VOLT can't even trump a Prius. Volt vs. Prius: Which Will Be Cheaper to Drive? Now if GM can price a VOLT  12-15k,... run a way hit in the making !!!!  BUT WAIT.... However given our green state's electrical rate (one of 88 rate tables and schedules and exceptions etc. etc, of app 44 cents per KWH, the cost per mile driven I have figured on another thread to be .1726 cents vs .057 cents per mile driven D2. So Volt is easily 3x more per mile driven than D2.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Aug 18, 2009 10:46 am) Whomever calculated the Volt to be 3x more expensive than diesel car to drive needs to go back to math school.
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 18, 2009 10:38 am) Tax per litre for ULSD is exactly same as for RUG here in U.K. and similar picture exists in other parts of EU also. Spain is an exception - for now. So, that's not a good reason, especially as Ford & GM already produce good small diesels to EU standards.  As they say; "There are lies, damned lies and Automakers excuses".
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Replying to: alltorque (Aug 18, 2009 11:46 am) "But Nesbitt said he's still too new to have formed a definitive opinion about whether Cadillac should look at diesels in the U.S. market." I guess he needs some more schooling. 
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