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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
1503 messages, Last post on Nov 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 16, 2009 7:53 am) The new EPA test punishes diesels by about 18 percent. If you spend enough time searching through the various PDFs on fueleconomy.gov you can eventually find that the EPA admits that diesels are at least knocked down an average 18% overall. The new EPA test is very stupid. I could beat the pre-2008 EPA numbers by 10-15% on every car I ever drove so I slaughter the current EPA numbers.
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Replying to: british_rover (Jul 16, 2009 12:27 pm) They would love everyone to believe it is a technological miracle, when really it is the old three cup, where is the PEA trick. So what might possibly happen 1. the old standard for the other than hybrid cars 2.the new standard for hybrid cars. 3. light trucks have been on their own standards for decades anyway. All that seems to matter is the APPEARANCE of high/highest EPA rating!!?? (this of course as already been demonstrated)  All they need do is to say this is vital to the economic security of the USA (ah ...gee..., the USA owns 63% of these entities??????? And the UAW is a LARGE minority stake holder???? AND can you spell exemption !!!!!??? And really diesels have never been a serious part of the public discussion, other than the wig bigs vilifiying it!!! So for example, 50% of my cars EXCEED the 2016 35.5 mpg . Two will have for 13 years. Another for 7 years. Another exceeds the defacto 2016 standards and its a SPORTS car. The two that don't should be ready for smog exemption by that date. |
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Jul 15, 2009 8:53 pm) |
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Going through some of these e-mails, I'm still sickened by the inability of the majors making a decent-sized car with acceptable mileage. Then again, from my experience, the big-3 (2?) don't give a flying rip. I still can't get over Vauxhall/Opel (GM umbrella) denying me the ability to bring-back my Vectra. '52 plate. Elegance trim. 2.2-ltr Tdi, like the VW above. Bigger than my Accord I had before moving across the pond, yet, better gas mileage when tracked against the US standards instead of UK. Avg. 27-mpg city, 42-hwy. Couple times, hit 48-mpg but that was more cross-country driving. Fully loaded-down with suitcases and my family (4 of us). And GM exporting has the balls to ensure I don't bring it back here. Oh well. I've fallen-back into the wasteful ways here. Who knows? Maybe the other 2 will fall (hoping) and a major shake-up/reorg occurs that will force the mfgs. to build world-competitive consumer vehicles without the gouging just to cover some worker too lazy to perform a decent days labor. |
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Replying to: esk114 (Jul 16, 2009 6:48 pm) Welcome to the forum... You have said it all with that statement. If the automakers won't give US what is available World Wide. Why should I give a hoot about wasting gas? Then all the Climate Clowns wringing their hands and trying to make US feel guilty because we own an SUV that gets 14 MPG. When the same SUV is available outside the USA that will get 30+ MPG. The problem falls right on the shoulders of our worthless government. They make the rules just tough enough to keep diesels on the fringe. They are owned by the enviro nuts and oil companies that both detest diesel for different reasons. If we would just establish the same emissions rules the EU uses it would go a long ways to cutting our use of fossil fuel. The truth is, most of government are more interested in getting the taxes from gas guzzlers than they are in using less fuel. Why do you think this latest debacle will make it easy to trade a gas guzzler for another gas guzzler than for a high mileage vehicle? |
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Replying to: esk114 (Jul 16, 2009 6:48 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 16, 2009 7:37 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 17, 2009 5:01 am) |
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"GM product-development higher-ups are adamant that diesels are too costly for the U.S. market. They require complex and expensive exhaust aftertreatment to comply with the world's toughest diesel-emissions standards ("onboard chemical factories is one term repeatedly employed) - and U.S. diesel fuel is not taxed as advantageously as it is in Europe, where diesels have captured more than half of the region's light-vehicle market." New Cadillac GM Pondering the Diesel Equation (AutoObserver) |
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