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#1322 of 1503 a what if by nippononly Jul 16, 2009 (11:54 am)
Is anyone here concerned that if diesels DO take off in big numbers, the price of diesel will shoot up because of a constrained supply? Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 16, 2009 1:43 pm)
#1323 of 1503 Re: Is the wait finally over? [ruking1] by british_rover Jul 16, 2009 (12:27 pm)
Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 16, 2009 7:53 am) It wasn't a change the CAFE was always based on the old, old EPA tests. All hybrids were desigend to take advantage of the old pre 2008 EPA test. They were designed to excel on the test but perhaps not real world driving.    The new EPA test punishes diesels by about 18 percent. If you spend enough time searching through the various PDFs on fueleconomy.gov you can eventually find that the EPA admits that diesels are at least knocked down an average 18% overall.   The new EPA test is very stupid. I could beat the pre-2008 EPA numbers by 10-15% on every car I ever drove so I slaughter the current EPA numbers. Replies to this message: ruking1 (Jul 16, 2009 1:49 pm)
#1324 of 1503 Re: a what if [nippononly] by gagrice Jul 16, 2009 (1:43 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 16, 2009 11:54 am) yes, that is why I wanted a small diesel PU 11 years ago when no one was thinking about diesel vehicles. It will leave a glut of gas so it would be best to own one of each.
#1325 of 1503 Re: Is the wait finally over? [british_rover] by ruking1 Jul 16, 2009 (1:49 pm)
Replying to: british_rover (Jul 16, 2009 12:27 pm) Indeed if you look at the Prius 60 C/50 H mpg, the theoretical combined would be 55 mpg . The combined as most folks have reported is 43/45 mpg. So that is app 18% (55-45=10/55=)   They would love everyone to believe it is a technological miracle, when really it is the old three cup, where is the PEA trick.   So what might possibly happen 1. the old standard for the other than hybrid cars 2.the new standard for hybrid cars. 3. light trucks have been on their own standards for decades anyway. All that seems to matter is the APPEARANCE of high/highest EPA rating!!?? (this of course as already been demonstrated)   All they need do is to say this is vital to the economic security of the USA (ah ...gee..., the USA owns 63% of these entities??????? And the UAW is a LARGE minority stake holder???? AND can you spell exemption !!!!!???   And really diesels have never been a serious part of the public discussion, other than the wig bigs vilifiying it!!!   So for example, 50% of my cars EXCEED the 2016 35.5 mpg . Two will have for 13 years. Another for 7 years. Another exceeds the defacto 2016 standards and its a SPORTS car. The two that don't should be ready for smog exemption by that date.
#1326 of 1503 Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [jpeters1970] by mike91326 Jul 16, 2009 (3:19 pm)
Replying to: jpeters1970 (Jul 15, 2009 8:53 pm) I agree. I got a Jetta TDI at the end of June and I don't ever want to go back to gas.
#1327 of 1503 Unbelievable but still have hope by esk114 Jul 16, 2009 (6:48 pm)
Going through some of these e-mails, I'm still sickened by the inability of the majors making a decent-sized car with acceptable mileage. Then again, from my experience, the big-3 (2?) don't give a flying rip. I still can't get over Vauxhall/Opel (GM umbrella) denying me the ability to bring-back my Vectra. '52 plate. Elegance trim. 2.2-ltr Tdi, like the VW above. Bigger than my Accord I had before moving across the pond, yet, better gas mileage when tracked against the US standards instead of UK. Avg. 27-mpg city, 42-hwy. Couple times, hit 48-mpg but that was more cross-country driving. Fully loaded-down with suitcases and my family (4 of us). And GM exporting has the balls to ensure I don't bring it back here. Oh well. I've fallen-back into the wasteful ways here. Who knows? Maybe the other 2 will fall (hoping) and a major shake-up/reorg occurs that will force the mfgs. to build world-competitive consumer vehicles without the gouging just to cover some worker too lazy to perform a decent days labor. Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 16, 2009 7:36 pm) steve_ (Jul 16, 2009 7:37 pm) gagrice (Jul 17, 2009 5:01 am) ruking1 (Jul 17, 2009 6:47 am)
#1328 of 1503 Re: Unbelievable but still have hope [esk114] by gagrice Jul 16, 2009 (7:36 pm)
Replying to: esk114 (Jul 16, 2009 6:48 pm) Oh well. I've fallen-back into the wasteful ways here.   Welcome to the forum...   You have said it all with that statement. If the automakers won't give US what is available World Wide. Why should I give a hoot about wasting gas? Then all the Climate Clowns wringing their hands and trying to make US feel guilty because we own an SUV that gets 14 MPG. When the same SUV is available outside the USA that will get 30+ MPG. The problem falls right on the shoulders of our worthless government. They make the rules just tough enough to keep diesels on the fringe. They are owned by the enviro nuts and oil companies that both detest diesel for different reasons. If we would just establish the same emissions rules the EU uses it would go a long ways to cutting our use of fossil fuel. The truth is, most of government are more interested in getting the taxes from gas guzzlers than they are in using less fuel. Why do you think this latest debacle will make it easy to trade a gas guzzler for another gas guzzler than for a high mileage vehicle?
#1329 of 1503 Re: Unbelievable but still have hope [esk114] by steve_ HOST Jul 16, 2009 (7:37 pm)
Replying to: esk114 (Jul 16, 2009 6:48 pm) Were those US or Imperial gallons? Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 17, 2009 5:01 am) ruking1 (Jul 17, 2009 6:47 am)
#1330 of 1503 Re: Unbelievable but still have hope [steve_] by gagrice Jul 17, 2009 (5:01 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Jul 16, 2009 7:37 pm) The Toyota Land Cruiser is only sold with diesel engines in the UK. Depending which engine they get over 30 US MPG highway. The combined is over 25 US MPG. The VW Tiguan with the 2.0L TDI that I would like to see in the US gets 44+ US MPG on the highway and 38 US MPG combined. The gas version sold here is rated 20 MPG combined. I will not downsize for a lousy 5 MPG gain. My comfort is worth more than that. Replies to this message: ruking1 (Jul 17, 2009 6:47 am)
#1331 of 1503 Re: Unbelievable but still have hope [gagrice] by ruking1 Jul 17, 2009 (6:47 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 17, 2009 5:01 am) I think there are truly lots of boundaries, a lot being economic. To me the TLC turbo diesel should be a 30 year service vehicle (or I should say that is the path my 15 year old TLC's are on) as the cost of entry, can be very high. So with the average drivers yearly mileage (12,000 to 15,000) we are looking at 450,000 miles. In effect that is a LOT of month's without vehicle payments !! (300 months, given a 5 year pay off period) If one buys a car every 5 years that is 6 less tax payments. Around here that is up to 9.75%

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