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Re: Is the wait finally over? [coontie66]
by ruking1
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Jul 15, 2009 (5:28 pm)
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Replying to: coontie66 (Jul 15, 2009 5:04 pm)
I would agree !! This is a REAL riddle, in light of the new 2016- 35.5 mpg standards, which was overwhelmingly passed by the democrats and I am sure a fair number of republicans.
I would think the real unseen answer is in the secret deals made with the big four: UAW, GM, Ford, Chrysler. Unless of course the real goal is just to get a lot of folks to just pay quantitatively more for fuel (per mile driven) This of course does nothing for the "earnest goal" of actually using less... fuel.
With the current standards  27 mpg and the so called "better mpg full sized trucks" getting 21 mpg (more like 19), that puts the defacto 2016 standards up 27.69... call it 28 mpg !! No way a currently configured Ford F150 can get 28 mpg without a turbo diesel. I have read in passing that this "truck segment" combined with the 12% suv population is app 40-50% of the passenger vehicle fleet.
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Re: Is the wait finally over? [coontie66]
by gagrice
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Jul 15, 2009 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: coontie66 (Jul 15, 2009 5:04 pm)
Not to mention Ford, Chevy and Dodge. They will spend billions to develop the Volt that will never make them a nickel and leave out a big segment of the market. Small diesel PUs are the standard in every part of the World except the USA.
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Re: Is the wait finally over? [gagrice]
by steve_ HOST
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Jul 15, 2009 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 15, 2009 3:05 pm)
What are they doing about the chicken tax - rolling it into the truck price?
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Mahindra diesel PU trucks and SUVs [steve_]
by gagrice
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Jul 15, 2009 (5:35 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 15, 2009 5:31 pm)
They have applied for a waiver. It does not compete with any vehicle made in the USA. And it will be able to meet the CAFE which no other PU will be able to do. I think they may get it. Otherwise it is 25% added on top. Or they could do as Toyota did way back. Ship the truck over and add the bed over here. Not sure the whole story on that.
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Re: Mahindra diesel PU trucks and SUVs [gagrice]
by steve_ HOST
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Jul 15, 2009 (5:39 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 15, 2009 5:35 pm)
Low twenties for the price seems a bit high then, at least for the two door base model. A base Ranger gasser comes in around $16k MSRP.
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Re: Mahindra diesel PU trucks and SUVs [steve_]
by gagrice
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Jul 15, 2009 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 15, 2009 5:39 pm)
Sadly the base Ranger is not even worth $16k. It will probably be priced with the Tacoma. I would expect it to out work the Tacoma. Especially the 4 cylinder model. I signed up for the test drive. Not sure who will sell them here. Plenty of dealerships looking for a decent line of vehicles. Be nice to use my 99 Ranger as a C4C trade.
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [gagrice]
by jpeters1970
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Jul 15, 2009 (8:53 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 30, 2009 10:35 am)
That's a BEAUTY! I would love to see that sold over here!! This is the first time I've seen that model. I still am saddened that diesels don't seem to get a foothold in market share here. Fuel is still relatively cheap and the American diesels that are in trucks are noisy and rough. They still sound like the Mercedes diesels of the 80's. The VW and BMW diesels are wonderful examples of the type of diesels that need to be rolling down our interstates.
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [jpeters1970]
by gagrice
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Jul 15, 2009 (8:59 pm)
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Replying to: jpeters1970 (Jul 15, 2009 8:53 pm)
Very functional with all the amenities needed. Plus 30 MPG combined should be a winner...With standard sized truck tires that don't cost a fortune to replace. Made for people that use their trucks for working.
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Re: Is the wait finally over? [ruking1]
by british_rover
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Jul 16, 2009 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 15, 2009 5:28 pm)
Yes but CAFE is not based on the current 2008 EPA MPG test but on the hold one used back in the early 80s.
Under that test a truck that gets 21 on the current EPA test probably gets 25 or so on the old one.
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [gagrice]
by nippononly
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Jul 16, 2009 (6:32 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 15, 2009 8:59 pm)
Maybe this will drag the Japanese and the Americans (kicking and screaming) into producing diesel-powered trucks for sale. It is ridiculous that they haven't done so long before now.
Word is that Toyota will bring its hybrid powertrain from the Camry (or maybe the one from the Highlander) to America for the Sienna next year, so they have decided against diesel there. The question is, will they ever have a better-than-15-mpg powertrain for Tundra? Or better than 20 mpg for Tacoma?
If Honda put a 30 mpg diesel in the Ridgeline and it was the only diesel-powered pickup available except the Mahindra pictured here, which would you buy?
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