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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [plekto] by ruking1
Jun 30, 2009 (5:40 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 30, 2009 4:22 am)

BMW and MB are actually competitors with their diesel offerings (2009). While I think I understand why, still from a volume and percentage point of view, VW is the "practical" only game in town.
 
From the Edmunds.com perspective, there are 24 (actual) vehicles on the (2009) market.link title
 
Most (59%) are really NOT in the passenger vehicle fleet, even as they are "IN" the passenger vehicle fleet.
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [ruking1] by wjtinatl
Jun 30, 2009 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 30, 2009 5:40 am)

I don't want the Fed's decising anything else for me as they've demonstrated repeatedly an astounding ability to spend more doing less than any individual or private entity. I do believe however that without a consistent policy on energy and fuel, there's little incentive for manufacturer's to spend the money needed to federalize the astoundingly good diesel products they already offer in Europe. European manufacturers get the press, but Japanese and Domestic companies all have great 4 & 6 cylinder diesel's that could make an immediate impact in the US in Accord, Focus and Taurus sized cars as well as the light trucks and SUV's the US market still demands, although in lesser numbers. I'd trade our Navigator tomorrow for an Expedition that seats 6, carries the dogs and luggage and can tow a 7500 lb boat while still getting 20 mpg. Since an F-350 with the PowerStroke diesel can get 17-19 unloaded, it's not unlikely that a lighter vehicle with a V-6 turbo diesel could do the same or better. The key for manufacturer's would be to bring these products in at no more than $1500-$2000 more than their gas powered equivalent so a financial case could be made for their existence. If the diesel (or Hybrid) is going to cost $6-8k more, as they do today, the typical consumer will opt for the cheaper alternative. Not sure if that can be done or not, but in Europe the diesel does not command anywhere near the price premium it does in the US.
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [ruking1] by fintail
Jun 30, 2009 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 30, 2009 5:40 am)

I have to wonder what is going on with the MB diesel lineup right now. DOT/EPA holdups? The new E-class isn't listed in any diesel variant from the 2010 promo material I have seen. I went to the local 2010 E-class party last week, and asked a salesman about the E350 "blue efficiency"...he looked at me like I was speaking in tongues, and referred me to some used bluetecs. These cars have been out for several months in Europe already. We still don't have a diesel C-class on this continent, and the hybrid diesel S400 became a hybrid gas S400, with no diesel S-class variant on the horizon for this continent. The diesels for MB are just a couple useless SUVs for 2010, as far as I know - not a good decision IMO.
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [wjtinatl] by alltorque
Jun 30, 2009 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: wjtinatl (Jun 30, 2009 6:56 am)

You're right about the smaller price gap of petrol vs disel cars here in Europe.
 
Example is the VW Passat in "Highline" trim. The 1.8 TSI 160 bhp gasser has a sticker price of £18,752 whilst the 2.0 TDi 170 bhp diesel is ££20,019 - a delta of £1267, (circa $2090). However at point of sale that difference will more likely be just £1078, (circa $1778). These being UK figures, of course. As petrol and diesel are currently about the same price, (£1.03 per Litre locally), choosing a diesel in not a hard decision for anyone doing reasonable annual mileage; not to mention the better characteristics of the oil burner.
 
Similar situation exists with other makes. Honda Accord diesel is some $2600 dearer than the petrol equivalent, the Ford Focus differential is some $1800 and the BMW 3 Series diesel is circa $1200 dearer than the petrol - when looking at comparable outputs/trim levels.
 
The figures I'm using are consumer "target" prices published in various magazines and a $/£ ExRate of 1.65.
 
And yes - our car prices are eye-watering compared to yours......I think.
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [fintail] by gagrice
Jun 30, 2009 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 30, 2009 10:20 am)

I ran into a couple from Canada with a B200 CDI similar to this one. They were traveling around the USA getting 50 MPG on diesel. They loved the car. What's not to like? German safety and handling with Prius mileage.
 
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [gagrice] by fintail
Jun 30, 2009 (10:51 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 30, 2009 10:35 am)

That must have been some kind of private import - Canada gets the B-class, but not in diesel form - only in na and turbo gas models, the latter of which must be preferable.
 
The B-class looks like a decent little car, and I see plenty of them in Vancouver - pretty pricey though.
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [fintail] by alltorque
Jun 30, 2009 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 30, 2009 10:51 am)

Yes, The Merc B Class is a nice car - but pricey compared to the opposition, (the 3-pointed star commands a premium). More Merc A Class cars here in UK but same choice of diesels.
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [fintail] by ruking1
Jul 01, 2009 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 30, 2009 10:20 am)

..."The diesels for MB are just a couple useless SUVs for 2010, as far as I know - not a good decision IMO. "...
 
On the face of it, I would disagree. However I took a ride with a very good friend in her MB ML320. (gasser) I just very casually mentioned the latest models were available in diesel link title. I did get an ear full about the quality of MB suv's. It was very apparent it did NOT wear well with her. She has been an MB owner for most of her professional life.
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Re: Let the "Feds" decide?? [ruking1] by fintail
Jul 01, 2009 (6:22 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 01, 2009 5:31 am)

Those early MLs are regarded as some of the worst MB products - ever. I wouldn't take one for free, too much of a chance for drama.
 
I believe the later ones are a little better, and the diesel ones maybe even better.
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Is the wait finally over? by gagrice
Jul 15, 2009 (3:05 pm)
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Indian diesel pickup to go on sale in U.S. later this year
 
It's practical; the only diesel in its class; will probably be rated at 30 miles per gallon; and perfect for fording the Ganges.
 
The first Indian vehicle in the U.S. is due to show up at 339 dealers around the U.S. this year. Made by Mahindra Group, the pickup is yet to get a name for the U.S. market. Described as being midsize, but really probably more of a compact, the pickup will probably sell in the low-$20,000 range and come in several different versions:
 
The Mahindra will come in a two-door and four-door configuration, not to mention two-wheel- and four-wheel-drive versions. Its 2.2-liter, four-cylinder diesel will be paired with a standard six-speed transmission. The pickup will have electrronic stability control, a 1.3-ton payload capacity, air conditioning (Calcutta sizzles this time of year!) and should be great for towing. To try to allay the fears of doubters, the Mahindra will come with a four-year, 60,000-mile bumper-to-bumper warranty.
 
An SUV could follow in a year.

 
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2009/07/68494450/1
 
If none of the companies doing business currently in the USA want my cash. I will send it to India.

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