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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 29, 2009 9:05 pm) Mini/BMW is slated for 2011, and given the likely $4+ a gallon gas in a year(already $3+ a gallon here and that's due purely to the depreciation of the dollar - not any massive change in oil), I can easily see Toyota and the others that decided to wait being beat to the market by the European companies. Note - Some of this is that the other German makers are wondering why if VW (basically seen my them as equivalent to Chrysler/the worst of the "German 3") can sell TDIs here, why aren't they also getting in on the game? Whether or not that's true is a whole other discussion, but it's nice to see a bit of ego and not wanting to be outdone influencing BMW and Mercedes for once. Domestics and Japan? Too slow and conservative. Shame, really, since the first under $15K hot hatch that gets 50mpg+ and isn't a Geo Metro type stripped tin can will completely take over. Same with the first small TDI truck. edit - watch the Fiat 500, btw - small, aggressive, and little to lose. They might jump on this, especially since Chrysler also isn't adverse to small diesels.
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 30, 2009 4:22 am) From the Edmunds.com perspective, there are 24 (actual) vehicles on the (2009) market.link title Most (59%) are really NOT in the passenger vehicle fleet, even as they are "IN" the passenger vehicle fleet.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 30, 2009 5:40 am)
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Replying to: wjtinatl (Jun 30, 2009 6:56 am) Example is the VW Passat in "Highline" trim. The 1.8 TSI 160 bhp gasser has a sticker price of £18,752 whilst the 2.0 TDi 170 bhp diesel is ££20,019 - a delta of £1267, (circa $2090). However at point of sale that difference will more likely be just £1078, (circa $1778). These being UK figures, of course. As petrol and diesel are currently about the same price, (£1.03 per Litre locally), choosing a diesel in not a hard decision for anyone doing reasonable annual mileage; not to mention the better characteristics of the oil burner. Similar situation exists with other makes. Honda Accord diesel is some $2600 dearer than the petrol equivalent, the Ford Focus differential is some $1800 and the BMW 3 Series diesel is circa $1200 dearer than the petrol - when looking at comparable outputs/trim levels. The figures I'm using are consumer "target" prices published in various magazines and a $/£ ExRate of 1.65. And yes - our car prices are eye-watering compared to yours......I think. 
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 30, 2009 10:20 am) 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 30, 2009 10:35 am) The B-class looks like a decent little car, and I see plenty of them in Vancouver - pretty pricey though.
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 30, 2009 10:51 am) |
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 30, 2009 10:20 am) On the face of it, I would disagree. However I took a ride with a very good friend in her MB ML320. (gasser) I just very casually mentioned the latest models were available in diesel link title. I did get an ear full about the quality of MB suv's. It was very apparent it did NOT wear well with her. She has been an MB owner for most of her professional life.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 01, 2009 5:31 am) I believe the later ones are a little better, and the diesel ones maybe even better. |
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