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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 29, 2009 4:44 am) I love my 56+ MPG and dont see Subaru on the above list. Lets hope the flat-four Diesel is still on its way here. Imagine a diesel engine with perfect primary balance....ssssmmmmoooottttthhhh as silk. Personally, I am tired of people thinking that the "Feds" should 'do' anything more than build roads and finanace the military. History tells us that no government on earth is as efficent as the free-market. The last thing we need is the "feds" sticking their noses in and telling us what kind of cars to drive. Let the prices of fuel and everything else do what they willl and the Diesel engines will be here shortly.
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Replying to: bpeebles (Jun 29, 2009 2:54 pm) PS Don't hold your breath on the Subaru passing the stiffer emissions. |
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Replying to: bpeebles (Jun 29, 2009 2:54 pm) With almost everybody else either freezing or cancelling diesel plans, it would appear that VW is poised to take whatever market share it sets its mind to, but more importantly can sell. They have already trail blazed a diesel 30% production rate, starting off with a 25% target. This during arguably during the WORST economic down turn since the Great Depression. They have set a 40% diesel production rate for 2010. The additional advantage would seem to be no diesel competition on the horizon; or  least in the short term, 5 years !!?? They have diesels in: cross over suv, compact, with a midsize built in the US in 2010. Being the #3 auto oem in the world, with over half of its sales in diesel already, this would not appear to be a "new line of risk and investment" for them. This might not necessarily be true for other oems.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 29, 2009 3:12 pm) It may just be the salvation that we're looking for, since it's a hot little car with loads of marketing power and "cool" factor. Add 45mpg+ to the current equation and it's sure to make some waves. BMW, Mercedes, and Audi/VW are already small and have enough money to spend on Diesels(plus market premium cars already). So Diesels for them are an easy choice - and they are selling every one they can ship over here it seems(and doubly so if oil hits 200-300 a barrel in the next year or two as some suggest it might...
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 29, 2009 8:38 pm) So currently besides VW, BMW, MB, have passenger diesels on the 2009 MY market. 2010 Audi A3 (I think) has just hit the markets (June 09)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 29, 2009 9:05 pm) Mini/BMW is slated for 2011, and given the likely $4+ a gallon gas in a year(already $3+ a gallon here and that's due purely to the depreciation of the dollar - not any massive change in oil), I can easily see Toyota and the others that decided to wait being beat to the market by the European companies. Note - Some of this is that the other German makers are wondering why if VW (basically seen my them as equivalent to Chrysler/the worst of the "German 3") can sell TDIs here, why aren't they also getting in on the game? Whether or not that's true is a whole other discussion, but it's nice to see a bit of ego and not wanting to be outdone influencing BMW and Mercedes for once. Domestics and Japan? Too slow and conservative. Shame, really, since the first under $15K hot hatch that gets 50mpg+ and isn't a Geo Metro type stripped tin can will completely take over. Same with the first small TDI truck. edit - watch the Fiat 500, btw - small, aggressive, and little to lose. They might jump on this, especially since Chrysler also isn't adverse to small diesels.
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 30, 2009 4:22 am) From the Edmunds.com perspective, there are 24 (actual) vehicles on the (2009) market.link title Most (59%) are really NOT in the passenger vehicle fleet, even as they are "IN" the passenger vehicle fleet.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 30, 2009 5:40 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 30, 2009 5:40 am) |
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Replying to: wjtinatl (Jun 30, 2009 6:56 am) Example is the VW Passat in "Highline" trim. The 1.8 TSI 160 bhp gasser has a sticker price of £18,752 whilst the 2.0 TDi 170 bhp diesel is ££20,019 - a delta of £1267, (circa $2090). However at point of sale that difference will more likely be just £1078, (circa $1778). These being UK figures, of course. As petrol and diesel are currently about the same price, (£1.03 per Litre locally), choosing a diesel in not a hard decision for anyone doing reasonable annual mileage; not to mention the better characteristics of the oil burner. Similar situation exists with other makes. Honda Accord diesel is some $2600 dearer than the petrol equivalent, the Ford Focus differential is some $1800 and the BMW 3 Series diesel is circa $1200 dearer than the petrol - when looking at comparable outputs/trim levels. The figures I'm using are consumer "target" prices published in various magazines and a $/£ ExRate of 1.65. And yes - our car prices are eye-watering compared to yours......I think. 
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