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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Re: well this [gagrice] by ruking1
Jun 23, 2009 (8:02 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 23, 2009 7:56 am)

Yes, actually in the macro version, the 2009 VW diesel story is all the more amazing. They had record PROFITS in 2008, while on the other hand almost ALL (bigger) oems showed RECORD LOSSES !!!!
 
The delta here is HUGE !!??
 
VW of course predicts much lower revenues & profits for 2009. But again they anticipate a PROFIT, while it is well know the others (bigger oems) will probably still post losses.
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Re: well this [ruking1] by larsb
Jun 23, 2009 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 23, 2009 8:02 am)

Don't confuse "we did good with the bean counters" with "we make great cars and are so much smarter because we made a profit when everyone else did not."
 
The first one is true, the second one, meh, not so much. VW still middle of the pack.
 
Vehicle Quality Improves Despite Bumpy Financial Ride
 
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Re: well this [larsb] by ruking1
Jun 23, 2009 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 23, 2009 8:39 am)

There was absolutely no confusion on my part. Folks COULD (and did as you would agree) buy other makes. Most folks chose to not buy ANYTHING new. Indeed most oems would want folks to buy 76% more if the 2009 9.6 M projected sales is an indicator. If all VW got was its "SHARE" profits would be even higher. Sadly most oems would have still LOST money.
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Does that even matter? by bpeebles
Jun 23, 2009 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 23, 2009 8:39 am)

I have never followed the rest of the sheep in believing that "initial quality" actually reflects any real measurement which I would use in selecting an automobile. Most people know those "facts" are just eye-wash.
 
Being an engineer, I know that the ENGINEERING DESIGN is a far better measurement than how well the assembly line workers bolted it together. (A lose bolt can be tightened... a poor design just suks)
 
The VW TDI is a proven design that works. I can change my engine-oil and filter in about 15 minutes FROM UNDER THE HOOD. I owned a Honda once... the oil-filter was nearly impossible to access even when the car was on a hydrolic lift. I know of an American-named car which one had to REMOVE THE FRONT WHEEL to access the oil-filter.
 
Here in Vermont, one of my top criterias in selecting a vehicle is RESISTANCE TO RUST. In that reguard, VW offers the 12-year/unlimited-milage warantee.
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Re: Does that even matter? [bpeebles] by ruking1
Jun 23, 2009 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Jun 23, 2009 6:32 pm)

There are other less "sexy things". Honda has a 20,000 miles oil filter change recommendation. I thought that was pretty amazing when I first reviewed my 04 Civic specifications. The problem is most folks do not believe it, let alone follow it.
 
VW has oil filters specified for 30,000 miles.
 
Right now over 87,000 miles, all the wear able parts on the Civic are wearing app 2x faster than the Jetta's wear able parts. Another example, I need three alignments where the Jetta needed none.
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Re: Does that even matter? [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Jun 23, 2009 (8:00 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 23, 2009 7:12 pm)

And how can you not love a car that has a Pumpe Düse engine? Although I hear VW switched to a CRDi in the US.
 
(the stuff you see around Edmunds every day... a real learning experience)
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Re: Does that even matter? [ruking1] by jkinzel
Jun 23, 2009 (8:10 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 23, 2009 7:12 pm)

I know, off topic.
 
Speaking of oil changes, I got the second hand account on this one. I’ll not name names to protect me and the company, BUT. A tug was brought to Puget Sound from another port and the local shipyard started doing some maintenance for use here.
 
Long story short; The boat is 3,000HP with two EMD’s. All the maintenance over the past five years had been performed on time including fuel and OIL filters. What engine room logs showed and was later reveled is that the main engine oil had not been changed since 2004. Yes, 5 years without an oil change.
 
The boat runs great, in fact I spent 7 days on it this month and it never missed a beat.
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Re: Does that even matter? [jkinzel] by ruking1
Jun 23, 2009 (9:08 pm)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 23, 2009 8:10 pm)

Just for comparisons sake, you might want to list the sump size and bypass filtration etc.
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Re: Does that even matter? [steve_] by ruking1
Jun 23, 2009 (9:12 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 23, 2009 8:00 pm)

Well indeed there has been a lot of mis steps with the PD engine. VW certainly did not do themselves any favors with that engine that hit the US markets.
 
The 2009 TDI is a CRD.
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Re: Does that even matter? [ruking1] by jkinzel
Jun 23, 2009 (10:00 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 23, 2009 9:08 pm)

I don't have that information, but I would guess the base to be about 20ft x 5ft. I have no idea how many gallons in each engine.

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