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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Corner Station Prices by altair4
May 28, 2009 (11:15 am)
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Here near Pittsburgh, my local stations have diesel and regular both at $2.399.
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Please lets not go there by bpeebles
May 28, 2009 (4:21 pm)
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fuel prices are always available link here and link here
 
Thus there is no need for us to start appending our local prices.
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Re: Please lets not go there [bpeebles] by ruking1
May 28, 2009 (4:26 pm)
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Replying to: bpeebles (May 28, 2009 4:21 pm)

I often wish I could buy at the cheapest prices even as I live in one of the acknowledge higher priced areas.
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Re: Please lets not go there [bpeebles] by steve_ HOST
May 28, 2009 (6:34 pm)
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Replying to: bpeebles (May 28, 2009 4:21 pm)

We also have the Report Your Local Gas Prices Here discussion and people often compare regular to diesel there.
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What would it take for you to buy a gas-powered car? by elias
May 31, 2009 (6:53 am)
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Diesel Price is less than gas, energy content more, avoids the ethanol scam. that's a Win Win Win.
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well this by nippononly
Jun 23, 2009 (7:40 am)
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ought to be happy news for all you diesel fans. Of course, for the rest of us, it is a sad reminder of how short Americans' memories are....
 
The dramatic decline in diesel fuel prices is driving up U.S. sales of diesel-powered vehicles from European carmakers.
 
.....On Tuesday, June 16, the average nationwide price for a gallon of diesel was $2.60, according to AAA. That compared with $2.67 for regular unleaded gasoline and $2.94 for premium.
 
VW has reached the point that 1/3 of all Jetta sales are diesel, although that still doesn't represent big numbers - less than 4000 per month. The other Europeans aren't doing as well:
 
Mercedes-Benz sold 8,242 diesel-powered M-class SUVs from January through May, or 16.5 percent of the total for the vehicle. For all of last year, the diesel version accounted for 13.7 percent of M-class sales.
 
Through May, diesels accounted for 21.8 percent (5,440) of Mercedes GL sales and 15.1 percent (1,312) of R-class sales, up from 13.7 percent for the GL and 10 percent for the R class in 2008.
 
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090622/CARNEWS/906229984
 
I also find it telling that at a pace of 4000 per month, VW dealers are saying the supply of Jetta TDIs "has run out". Clearly VW didn't plan to sell many TDIs per year, and they continue to do what they have done in the past - keep inventory low to artifically boost resale prices. Their practices don't seem to match their rhetoric that they were jumping into diesel with both feet this year.
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Re: well this [nippononly] by ruking1
Jun 23, 2009 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 23, 2009 7:40 am)

..."Their practices don't seem to match their rhetoric that they were jumping into diesel with both feet this year. "...
 
Well no.
 
(especially in the 2008/2009 context, of a plethora of down turns)
 
VW actually exceeded their 2009 goals by 33.2% IF your (quote) 1/3 of total production is correct. (VW's target was 25% of total production)
 
The 2010 stated goal is 40%. This would be 60% over the 2009 target.
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Re: well this [nippononly] by gagrice
Jun 23, 2009 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 23, 2009 7:40 am)

You mean like Toyota does with their Prius? They have had plenty of time to convert one of their idle plants here to building Prius and have not done so. VW is building a new plant here to meet the need. VW is still making money in this poor car market. So they must be managing smarter than the rest. They are well aware of the fickled American auto buyer. Why dump more on a market than you can sell, unless you are one of our dumb domestic builders?
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Re: well this [gagrice] by ruking1
Jun 23, 2009 (8:02 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 23, 2009 7:56 am)

Yes, actually in the macro version, the 2009 VW diesel story is all the more amazing. They had record PROFITS in 2008, while on the other hand almost ALL (bigger) oems showed RECORD LOSSES !!!!
 
The delta here is HUGE !!??
 
VW of course predicts much lower revenues & profits for 2009. But again they anticipate a PROFIT, while it is well know the others (bigger oems) will probably still post losses.
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Re: well this [ruking1] by larsb
Jun 23, 2009 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 23, 2009 8:02 am)

Don't confuse "we did good with the bean counters" with "we make great cars and are so much smarter because we made a profit when everyone else did not."
 
The first one is true, the second one, meh, not so much. VW still middle of the pack.
 
Vehicle Quality Improves Despite Bumpy Financial Ride
 

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