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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [ruking1] by ruking1
May 09, 2009 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 08, 2009 3:36 pm)

..." It has NOTHING to do with any statistically significance ^ in the quality of air. "...
 
insert
^" in correlation"
 
Indeed what is correlated is burn more is better !!!
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [ruking1] by bpeebles
May 09, 2009 (7:18 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 09, 2009 8:36 am)

Alas - "burn more is better" seems to be the way US laws are written.
 
Several states have already kicked up the gasoline/diesel tax claiming that the more efficent vehicles have reduced their cashflow. The tax man will ALWAYS get his cut no matter how little fuel you burn.
 
As for the US federal emmissions laws -vs- diesel.... If you do any research on the subject, you will quickly learn that the EPA does not like diesel for some reason and is trying to keep them off the roads by making the emmissions-standards almost impossible to meet.
 
Case in point... the new VW TDI engine which is 50-state legal is by far the most complicated engine they have ever sold. I am half-afraid all that complexity may make the reliability suffer.
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [bpeebles] by bigmclargehuge
May 10, 2009 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: bpeebles (May 09, 2009 7:18 pm)

I really think this so-called complexity is a bit overblown.
 
But I agree that the EPA's intentions do not favor diesel.
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [gagrice] by bhill2
May 11, 2009 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 08, 2009 2:49 pm)

I thank you both, jibl and gagrice. Also, the Bin number corresponding to diesel didn't come through. Could you post that again?
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [bhill2] by gagrice
May 11, 2009 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: bhill2 (May 11, 2009 11:47 am)

My understanding it is Tier 2 Bin 5 for diesel emissions. That is LEV II for CARB states.
 
http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/summarychart.pdf
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [gagrice] by bhill2
May 11, 2009 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 11, 2009 11:59 am)

thank you kindly.
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In RI diesel cost now =regular gas cost by pod
May 22, 2009 (12:53 pm)
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I have been posting periodically the price differential between reg unleaded gas and diesel. As high a $1.15 per gallon, it is now zero. Both cost 2.29/gal. This is bizarre but may relate to the lack of need for winter fuel diesel. I guess the FE advantages of owning a diesel depend on which season you are talking about.
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Re: In RI diesel cost now =regular gas cost [pod] by ruking1
May 22, 2009 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: pod (May 22, 2009 12:53 pm)

As you have noted, the differential (between RUG to PUG vs D2) does fluctuate. However in addition there is the structural variable of D2's higher fuel mileage 20-40%.
 
See msg #7665 in "Diesels In The News" for an 82% RUG premium over diesel (per mile driven) with diesel and RUG way off the 4.50 per gal highs.
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Shelved, not canceled by steve_ HOST
May 28, 2009 (9:47 am)
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"The price of diesel fuel dipped to less than the price of a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline earlier this month, according to the Energy Information Administration (EIA)."
 
Diesel-Fuel Price Plunges; Will Engines Be Revived? (AutoObserver)
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Corner Station Prices by altair4
May 28, 2009 (11:15 am)
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Here near Pittsburgh, my local stations have diesel and regular both at $2.399.

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