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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [jkinzel] by ruking1
May 08, 2009 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: jkinzel (May 08, 2009 2:04 pm)

Jose posted the European figures. Now here is the kicker (try to) find where it is posted for US market products so you can compare them apples to apples.......
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [ruking1] by gagrice
May 08, 2009 (2:49 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 08, 2009 2:38 pm)

Here is the chart to cross examine. Diesels are Bin
 
http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/summarychart.pdf
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [gagrice] by ruking1
May 08, 2009 (3:36 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 08, 2009 2:49 pm)

The charts are basically a 2x4 to the head why they want to cut off (3% of the passenger diesel fleet to 2% ) and keep both the volume and percentage down. It has NOTHING to do with any statistically significance in the quality of air.
 
Burn more is better !!!
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [ruking1] by ruking1
May 09, 2009 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 08, 2009 3:36 pm)

..." It has NOTHING to do with any statistically significance ^ in the quality of air. "...
 
insert
^" in correlation"
 
Indeed what is correlated is burn more is better !!!
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [ruking1] by bpeebles
May 09, 2009 (7:18 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 09, 2009 8:36 am)

Alas - "burn more is better" seems to be the way US laws are written.
 
Several states have already kicked up the gasoline/diesel tax claiming that the more efficent vehicles have reduced their cashflow. The tax man will ALWAYS get his cut no matter how little fuel you burn.
 
As for the US federal emmissions laws -vs- diesel.... If you do any research on the subject, you will quickly learn that the EPA does not like diesel for some reason and is trying to keep them off the roads by making the emmissions-standards almost impossible to meet.
 
Case in point... the new VW TDI engine which is 50-state legal is by far the most complicated engine they have ever sold. I am half-afraid all that complexity may make the reliability suffer.
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [bpeebles] by bigmclargehuge
May 10, 2009 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: bpeebles (May 09, 2009 7:18 pm)

I really think this so-called complexity is a bit overblown.
 
But I agree that the EPA's intentions do not favor diesel.
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [gagrice] by bhill2
May 11, 2009 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 08, 2009 2:49 pm)

I thank you both, jibl and gagrice. Also, the Bin number corresponding to diesel didn't come through. Could you post that again?
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [bhill2] by gagrice
May 11, 2009 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: bhill2 (May 11, 2009 11:47 am)

My understanding it is Tier 2 Bin 5 for diesel emissions. That is LEV II for CARB states.
 
http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/summarychart.pdf
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Re: meanwhile, back on the ranch [gagrice] by bhill2
May 11, 2009 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 11, 2009 11:59 am)

thank you kindly.
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In RI diesel cost now =regular gas cost by pod
May 22, 2009 (12:53 pm)
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I have been posting periodically the price differential between reg unleaded gas and diesel. As high a $1.15 per gallon, it is now zero. Both cost 2.29/gal. This is bizarre but may relate to the lack of need for winter fuel diesel. I guess the FE advantages of owning a diesel depend on which season you are talking about.

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