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Replying to: ruking1 (Apr 14, 2009 7:20 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 13, 2009 9:14 pm) BMW should have gone with the 4-cylinder diesel for the 3-series, made it optional in the 1-series as well, and brought the price down a bit, and I bet they would have sold more of them. In all these stats, I see no mention of Mercedes, the diesel innovator for current 50-state emissions standards. How are the E320 Bluetecs selling? Will MB stick that engine in any other models that aren't SUVs?
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 14, 2009 12:50 pm) I think all the makers aside from VW are missing the mark on smaller diesel engines. I for one do not need a 6 second, 0-60 MPH vehicle such as the 335D. I do think the X5 or the ML/GL series with a 4 cylinder would be under powered. I could see myself buying a pre urea ML320 CDI. They were available for two years outside of the CARB states. Strangely they are legal in CA after 7500 miles on the odo. Maybe their emissions improve magically after that many miles.  They command near new pricing. That would be tough for me to handle. Yes the Touareg should be here any day and it has a V6 TDI with Urea injection. Again that is a heavy vehicle. |
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 14, 2009 12:50 pm) 2008 MY MB sales figures seem MIA on searches I have done. Zetsche sez: (remember him?) 2007 "diesel" baseline link title The policy is still to bring the best fuel guzzlers to the US market, albeit trying to give the appearance mpg is getting better. ..."Zetsche said Mercedes is sticking by its decision not to bring cars smaller than the C class to the United States. ...Referring to the tougher fuel economy standards passed by Congress last year, he said: "Our product portfolio plans for the U.S. have not changed. It is not our intention to turn into a Peugeot or Fiat by making small cars to address the issue but to use technology to make larger cars more fuel-efficient."" ... To be fair they might already be there. A diesel guru I see every so often, reports getting 39 mpg  80 mph on a older CDI MB E320. So in effect, if the new 2012 standard is "35 mpg" , with all its TBD defacto exceptions, then MB just really needs to increase the % of diesels (20%) as per their STATED projections to comply. Can do easy it seems to me, as they have been delinked from THEIR Chysler involvement ( debacle) for a while. They MIGHT (just) still carry HUGE tax credits, incentives, write offs/downs from that involvement (debacle). So in effect , minus the marketing razz really HAVE to do NOTHING about the 2012 35 mpg standard. But this is probably more telling and more authoritative. ... " "We will have to see what price capabilities we have for the diesel and how much the customer is willing to pay," Zetsche said. "It is an influencing factor because we may see lower margins." "... ..." 2008 diesel sales (teaser) ..."As a leader in diesel innovation and engineering, Mercedes-Benz continued to increase sales within its diesel portfolio which includes the E320 BLUETEC sedan which utilizes the cleanest diesel technology available, E320 CDI, and its diesel SUVs (ML-Class CDI, R-Class CDI and GL-Class CDI). Sales of vehicles in the Mercedes-Benz diesel portfolio -- both CDI and BLUETEC models -- grew from 6,941 units in 2006 to 12,580 units in 2007, posting an 81.2 percent increase over 2006. The company plans to expand its BLUETEC range to bring 50-state diesels to the U.S. market in 2008."... link title Up 81.2% and already almost 5% of total MB sales!!! ??? |
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I finally got a good fuel calculation: At 20% freeway, 20% city and 60% rural roads, i.e. roads with 25 to 45 mph limits, our 2005 Beetle averaged 41.5 MPG. My driving habits stayed the same other than the fact that I would keep the RPM in the 1900 to 2400 range when driving the rural roads. I’m happy with this. This is why I bought a diesel.
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Replying to: jkinzel (Apr 25, 2009 9:18 am) So what are your impressions keeping the revs between 1900 and 2,400 RPMS? As a boundary 2600 to 2800 RPMS in 5th gear is app 90 mph.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Apr 25, 2009 9:31 am) My biggest fear is a ticket. On the freeway I’m going 10mph over without even knowing. It’s just a sweet ride.
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Replying to: jkinzel (Apr 25, 2009 9:44 am) Yes I hear you. These diesels just pull and pull. This might be inappropriate, but app 8-9 mph over (limit of say 65 mph) is almost a sleeper in this neck of the woods. I would not do it in front of a highway patrol in obvious "customer service mode", but the truth is most LEO's, unless under the "quota" gun or you appear to be DUI or driving recklessly are pretty cool about it. |
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link title Carbon neutral and we still pass it by !?
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Replying to: ruking1 (Apr 27, 2009 5:53 pm)  I just hope someone sells a diesel SUV I like before the runaway surge for diesel cars hits the USA.
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