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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Re: What The ????? [ruking1] by roland3
Apr 11, 2009 (2:56 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Apr 10, 2009 9:19 pm)

... Where did you see the analysis data ? I Googled: "oil analysis tests" and I think the "G" wizards think I am looking for someplace to send my oil exploration drill core samples to (lol).
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... On another note, I saw that the earlier zinc compounds might have affected exhaust stream sensors, but no mention of a catalytic concern. Probably O-2 sensors rather than EGT thermocouples.
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Re: What The ????? [roland3] by ruking1
Apr 11, 2009 (4:38 am)
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Replying to: roland3 (Apr 11, 2009 2:56 am)

Too funny!! Anymore, WHO knows !!
 
Perhaps the addition of (V)OA, (U) OA might get you closer to the right pews. (V)OA= (virgin) oil analysis, (U)OA= (used) oil analysis. Best of luck ! You might want to main line it by going to link title . One guy kiddingly asked, why are you pointing people to the "DARK SIDE" of oil changes !!?? link title
 
In regards to your "another note", I have read in passing, since they have taken out the zinc, Zinc additives aka ZDDP, are ALL the rage !!! ??
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Overview- Ward's Op/Ed? by ruking1
Apr 11, 2009 (6:35 am)
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European Brands Still Bullish About Diesels
By Drew Winter
Ward's AutoWorld, Apr 1, 2009 12:00 PM
 
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Re: Overview- Ward's Op/Ed? [ruking1] by gagrice
Apr 11, 2009 (6:45 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Apr 11, 2009 6:35 am)

Volkswagen is seeing an 80% take rate for its TDI diesel option on the Jetta Sportwagen and a 30% take rate on the Jetta sedan.
 
Mercedes is seeing strong demand for diesels in its CUV lineup. Its 50-state Bluetec diesels were not available until last October, but about 25% of M-Class sales are diesel, with the larger GL-Class tracking at 21%.
 
BMW is seeing about a 20% take rate for the diesel engine option it began offering in the U.S. last December on its X5 CUV.

 
All three are doing better than any of the Domestics. They seem much better at projecting demand. If I was buying a NEW vehicle today it would be the Sportswagen TDI. I just cannot bring myself to buying into the Urea mess on the V6 diesels. Maybe a year old Mercedes before they buckled to the Emissions Dictators at CARB.
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Re: Overview- Ward's Op/Ed? [gagrice] by ruking1
Apr 11, 2009 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 11, 2009 6:45 am)

Indeed. The good/bad news, 1-5 year old MB E 320's( aka gassers/diesel) used prices drop a lot. This of course presents opportunities for those that know and understand and more importantly are ok with the occasional expensive repair. That CDI mated to the 6 speed automatic transmission is literally one of the best combinations on the market !!! 39 mpg 80 mph is not bad also !!
 
The Sportwagon TDI, from what I can tell, continues the tradition of being VERY popular, sort after and rare. Historically used car prices are higher than the already high diesel car prices. I am told and have seen that Sportwagons specifically TDI's( but might apply to gassers also) are pre sold BEFORE they hit the dealership. They only hit open inventory if a deal falls through and they go through the waiting lists with no results. The Sportwagon TDI's sell both at a premium to and above that premium to Jetta TDI 4 door sedans.
 
While I find this a tad weird, it is probably even stranger, given this current economic downturn and up to -50% sales for some oem/models. But at the same time,kudo's to VW.
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top of the line not selling by steve_ HOST
Apr 13, 2009 (9:54 am)
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BMW Struggling to Sell Diesels While Volkswagen Expects More TDI Models (Straightline)
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the numbers by nippononly
Apr 13, 2009 (11:57 am)
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seem to be all over the place: 80% take rate for diesel Jettawagens vs 50% for diesel Jettawagens. Still, kudos to VW for capturing a niche market completely. They will be to diesels what Toyota is to hybrids.
 
If BMW dropped its base-model 330i and only sold the twin-turbo gas and the diesel in that model, I bet they would sell a WHOLE lot more diesels.
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Re: the numbers [nippononly] by ruking1
Apr 13, 2009 (1:15 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 13, 2009 11:57 am)

I am just swagging here, but as involved and as good as BMW is with diesels on the world wide market, it would seem its US market customers are uninterested due to being accustomed to the (gas guzzling) BMW gassers or closed off to the whole diesel idea. A diesel with twin turbos and 405 # ft of torque on a 3 series (so called entry level) raises the bar considerably !! BMW drivers do not strike me as being wedded to the 0-60 metric.
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Diesels by ruking1
Apr 13, 2009 (6:09 pm)
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