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#11181 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [ruking1]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 25, 2013 (8:32 am)
When you see video of car factories, they do that to all engines.
Not on a stand exactly, but they hook a big "drill" to the crankshaft and spin it. That should weed out the funky pistons at least, eh?
#11182 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [Stever@Edmunds]
Sep 25, 2013 (9:29 am)
LOL ! No ! The test station/s is/are multiple point computer operations and parameters testing procedures. While you can not see nor do they detail the data kept, the statistics and statistical controls are pretty sophisticated, from what I am led to believe. So basically almost EVERYTHING starts out from the ideal statistical RANGE: further it is documented for long term uses.
How I know this: one of the GTG guru's flies commercial cargo planes in and out of Germany. He is well known in (unofficial) diesel circles, so has taken many factory tours (while in Germany) , where discussions like these don't glaze most folks' eyes over.
So defacto and I don't know if folks understand the implications of this, but if you don't test, document and track each one, you are really flying blind if you only randomly test for manufacturing/assembly protocols, as opposed to 100%, where the data can be used downstream in multiple applications. Now this is not to imply they can not or will not put out an excellent product.
#11183 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [ruking1]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 25, 2013 (9:05 am)
Makes sense. You always hear about recalls affecting a narrow range of VINs, and it turns out that the manufacturer has tracked the problem to a supplier issue and one bin of bad parts.
#11184 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [Stever@Edmunds]
Sep 25, 2013 (9:22 am)
Yes ! Indeed that is one downstream application/use. It really saves a lot of a lot. (if you know what I mean)
I hope this is not TMI. Because of the want/ need of rapid increase in the production facilities and more importantly units produced, the so called "RANDOM" testing (actually probably NOT so random) can be used as so called "book marks". So now if something goes south, you almost can isolate the issue between the book marks, while allowing for faster completion times per unit.
#11185 of 11669 Staying consistent for mileage.
Sep 25, 2013 (12:15 pm)
According to the readout I was at 27.7 MPG at the end of our Trip to Simi Valley. I just filled and calculated at 25.22 MPG. This Chevron pump let me fill to the top. The last Shell pump cut off on the first shut off and would not pump anymore. So last tank may not have been as full. That was 430 miles with at least 50 stop n go or slow n go traffic. The home run down the 405 and 5 was smooth sailing. 120 miles never under 70 MPH. And the readout for that segment said 30.4 MPG. Just passed 1500 miles on the Odo. Here is the most expensive gas and diesel of the trip. Right in Simi Valley.
#11186 of 11669 Re: Staying consistent for mileage. [gagrice]
Sep 25, 2013 (7:17 pm)
It still seems to be holding true, that it is more expensive home than in a resort town: RUG $3.79, PUG $3.99, ULSD $3.99. I am sure glad the range of the VW Touareg TDI lets me fuel there ! Corner store prices are RUG $3.97, PUG $4.19, ULSD $4.19.
#11187 of 11669 Price check in CT
Sep 25, 2013 (8:13 pm)
I haven't driven my Prelude in a couple of weeks & due to certain circumstances must drive it to work tomorrow. The entire front license plate & bracket fell off of the BMW. Now I have to get new plates for it immediately according to the Stamford Police because I can now get pulled over for driving a car with stolen plates. Since the DMV in CT doesn't open until 9:15 AM (Thursday) & I have to be at work at 7:30 AM (in The Bronx), this is somewhat of a conflict for me. Hopped I. The Prelude tonight, fired it up, & I need gas. Got 23 mpg on my last tank. What does this have to do with diesel?
RUG 87 - $3.859/gal
PUG 93 - $4.199/gal
DIESEL - $4.259/gal
#11188 of 11669 Re: Price check in CT [nyccarguy]
Sep 25, 2013 (8:47 pm)
I was sorry to hear about the lost license plate and front frame !! What a PITA !
That would be $.1678 per mile driven (RUG, I presume) . Our (09 Jetta TDI, DSG) last fill was 42 mpg or (using your ULSD prices) $ .10143 per mile driven, or $ .0664 more for 65.4% more than diesel. ( 6 speed manual would have gotten better than DSG mpg)
The 03 Jetta TDI 5 speed manual would have gotten between 48-52, for $.0852 per mile driven (call it 50 mpg) or 96.5% more (than diesel). Given 186,000 miles, that would be $ 15,364.00 MORE. Just on fuel savings alone, I am glad I over paid ($236 dollars more) for the diesel option.
I presume your BMW uses PUG? What would be its cost per mile driven FUEL?
#11189 of 11669 Re: Price check in CT [ruking1]
Sep 26, 2013 (4:49 am)
My Prelude actually takes PUG (93 here on the east coast). Remember, it's body style dates back to 1997 & engine back to 1993 when gas was cheap. It's only a 5 speed manual & wasn't geared for optimal fuel economy. In 5th gear 80 mph it turns 4K RPM. According to fuelly my cost per mile driven in the Prelude is $.18.
My BMW does use PUG & yes I do fill it with PUG EVERY time. Unlike some people who wear their BMWs & put RUG (87) or "mid-grade" (89). According to my fuelly dash board (cool site btw, thank-you for turning me on to it ruking), my average MPG is 20.8. It costs me $.199 per mile to drive.
I've said before, I put gassers & diesels on my short list for my next car. The lease is up on my BMW in less than a year.
All 2014s, all automatics (or DSG)
Honda Accord Sport
Honda Accord EX
VW Jetta TDI Premium
VW Golf TDI
VW Passat TDI SE w/ sunroof
VW Jetta GLI
Given the miles per year I drive (20K plus), fuel economy is a factor (mpg & cost per mile), but it isn't at the top of my list by any means. I've got to drive all the cars and get a feel for them first, then I can start eliminating.
#11190 of 11669 Re: Price check in CT [nyccarguy]
Sep 26, 2013 (7:00 am)
If your corrections to my posts are a call for my corrections, fair enough ! Predictably the figures would be even BETTER upon corrections!! Or they would be "worse," as the case may be ! I am glad you are a good sport about it. It is done for three reasons: 1. to get folks who think one way or 2. the other) or 3. already there to run the numbers (real world or otherwise) and then do what they need to do. I just happened to use yours (PUG/RUG) /my real life figures (ULSD).
Yes, I scratch my head on the situation where someone buys a PUG recommended to required vehicle and insists on using RUG ! ?