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#11176 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [Stever@Edmunds]
Sep 25, 2013 (7:18 am)
Well, HOT DOG ! Can we call it or what !! ?? So if Chrysler (Dodge) sells 29,000 to 30,000 TDI units (app 15%) first year, they should be happy as clams !! ?? Do you want fries with that?
I think the other (non diesel) beauty here is that (factory orders) PU trucks (across the big three) are semi to ALMOST semi customizable. It would remain to be seen the parameters Dodge will set.
The real 20/20 hindsight head scratcher here is that the big three has been making (3/4 ton) US market "light truck" diesels for multiple decades. So even with almost massive UNION ownership, short sightedness STILL in charge (RULES THE ROOST) !! ?? WOW ! What a surprise ! ?
Be that as it may, IF Dodge can pull off a seamless first year TDI opening, one year hence, it will make FORD/GM "late to the party" in the LT (1/2 ton) diesel market.
#11177 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [ruking1]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 25, 2013 (6:23 am)
Hm, wonder if the UAW is planting stories like that to bug Fiat and pump up the IPO price?
(Don't you just love conspiracy theories? ).
#11178 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [Stever@Edmunds]
Sep 25, 2013 (6:52 am)
Chrysler should have thought about the engine manufacturer before they started their marketing campaign. The ZF 8 speed transmission will be in most new Ram 1500 PUs from what I read. It will be the auto for all Jeep Grand Cherokees as well.
VM Motori has said all along their ability to produce engines was very limited. Will Ram and Jeep be fighting over who gets them? How many sales will Jeep lose to Mercedes, BMW, Audi and VW if they cannot deliver the JGC diesel? It seems to be an American business trait to announce new products then wait and see who is interested. Then delay after delay which will turn a lot of customers off. Me included.
#11179 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [Stever@Edmunds]
Sep 25, 2013 (7:04 am)
I think there are real issues with capacity:
Q: How many engines does VM Motori produce a year?
A: This year, because of the Grand Cherokee in NAFTA, we will be around 86,000. Last year, we did 55,000. We are investing more than 80 million euro [$104 million] to increase our production capacity. We are increasing our manufacturing capacity very much, but everything will be built in Italy.
How much room do you have in your factory in Italy to meet future demand for products in North America?
We have real estate where we can increase our capacity. The plan right now is to get up to 90,000 V-6 engines this year, but we can increase up to 50 percent more in less than two years.
No mention of the Ram diesel. The JGC diesel is a big seller in the EU for the last two years. And we have not seen any GC diesels at dealers here. So if they are building 86,000 for the EU market and expanding to 90K. Does not sound good for the US buyers.
#11180 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [gagrice]
Sep 25, 2013 (8:34 am)
I don't have access to the article I read in passing, but as I recall, each (VMI) TDI engine is put on a test stand and certified before being packaged for shipment. So at some (past) point, management thought it VERY important to do an individualized certification, not to mention the time, money and resources to perform. Expansion plans call for RANDOM testing, which can have an adverse affect downstream.
So for example VW still does 100% test stand certification for the TDI's. I do understand that TDI engines come from Germany and other locations. So for example the 3.0 L TDI is said to come from Hungary.
#11181 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [ruking1]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 25, 2013 (8:32 am)
When you see video of car factories, they do that to all engines.
Not on a stand exactly, but they hook a big "drill" to the crankshaft and spin it. That should weed out the funky pistons at least, eh?
#11182 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [Stever@Edmunds]
Sep 25, 2013 (9:29 am)
LOL ! No ! The test station/s is/are multiple point computer operations and parameters testing procedures. While you can not see nor do they detail the data kept, the statistics and statistical controls are pretty sophisticated, from what I am led to believe. So basically almost EVERYTHING starts out from the ideal statistical RANGE: further it is documented for long term uses.
How I know this: one of the GTG guru's flies commercial cargo planes in and out of Germany. He is well known in (unofficial) diesel circles, so has taken many factory tours (while in Germany) , where discussions like these don't glaze most folks' eyes over.
So defacto and I don't know if folks understand the implications of this, but if you don't test, document and track each one, you are really flying blind if you only randomly test for manufacturing/assembly protocols, as opposed to 100%, where the data can be used downstream in multiple applications. Now this is not to imply they can not or will not put out an excellent product.
#11183 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [ruking1]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 25, 2013 (9:05 am)
Makes sense. You always hear about recalls affecting a narrow range of VINs, and it turns out that the manufacturer has tracked the problem to a supplier issue and one bin of bad parts.
#11184 of 11669 Re: get your deposits in early [Stever@Edmunds]
Sep 25, 2013 (9:22 am)
Yes ! Indeed that is one downstream application/use. It really saves a lot of a lot. (if you know what I mean)
I hope this is not TMI. Because of the want/ need of rapid increase in the production facilities and more importantly units produced, the so called "RANDOM" testing (actually probably NOT so random) can be used as so called "book marks". So now if something goes south, you almost can isolate the issue between the book marks, while allowing for faster completion times per unit.
#11185 of 11669 Staying consistent for mileage.
Sep 25, 2013 (12:15 pm)
According to the readout I was at 27.7 MPG at the end of our Trip to Simi Valley. I just filled and calculated at 25.22 MPG. This Chevron pump let me fill to the top. The last Shell pump cut off on the first shut off and would not pump anymore. So last tank may not have been as full. That was 430 miles with at least 50 stop n go or slow n go traffic. The home run down the 405 and 5 was smooth sailing. 120 miles never under 70 MPH. And the readout for that segment said 30.4 MPG. Just passed 1500 miles on the Odo. Here is the most expensive gas and diesel of the trip. Right in Simi Valley.