Last post on Dec 05, 2013 at 5:50 PM
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Car Buying, Biodiesel, Diesel, Hybrid Cars, Coupe, Hatchback, SUV
#10157 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [ruking1]
Jul 24, 2013 (4:20 pm)
And for highline cars, premium fuel is needed to take advantage of the high feature engines - and on tuned models, premium is not just recommended, it is required. For highline cars that even recommend premium, the running costs comparisons need to be made with premium vs diesel, not regular vs diesel. Even if an engine can run on regular, the experience will be as intended with premium.
#10158 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [fintail]
Jul 24, 2013 (4:40 pm)
Yeah, I really scratch my head on this one. Why get a car which premium (PUG) is recommended or required and use RUG??? Incidentally both a higher volume and percentage use PUG (estimated to be 9% of the passenger vehicle fleet) than diesel (5%).
#10159 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [ruking1]
Jul 24, 2013 (4:46 pm)
I also wonder about the longterm consequences of using RUG in a PUG car, and the mentality of someone who will pay 50K+++ for a car and then cheap out on the gas. Not the used car I would want, anyway.
#10160 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [fintail]
Jul 24, 2013 (4:50 pm)
Agreed on using RUG where PUG is needed. When my wife loans out her LS400 to family she always puts a big note on the dash. Premium only. I doubt it has had anything else in 24 years. Even with ULSD I would only use a name brand like Shell Chevron or BP. I think all the mileage records have been set using Shell Diesel.
#10161 of 11692 AMAZING US Car ! ? Clark Kent by day....
Jul 25, 2013 (5:12 am)
But, could it use a great diesel (3.0 L TDI?) engine? 14 Impala? GREAT progress, but who really knows? More importantly, who really cares?
#10162 of 11692 Re: AMAZING US Car ! ? Clark Kent by day.... [ruking1]
Jul 25, 2013 (6:10 am)
That would be an interesting move. Does GM have a suitable diesel to drop into the Impala? Would be a way to exploit a niche without a lot of investment .
#10163 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [gagrice]
Jul 25, 2013 (6:11 am)
I have used Chevron solely since I got the car - the price is good and I am used to Chevron gasoline.
#10164 of 11692 Re: AMAZING US Car ! ? Clark Kent by day.... [fintail]
Jul 25, 2013 (7:11 am)
Yes, the "platform" has been 'proven" for a while, Cadillac STS (2005 to 2011) being one example, albeit HIGHER MSRP. It even could support a HP V-8 option. So in that sense, GM has already shot it in the head (no 2012 STS platform) and used the "bone yard" for burial. Kudo's to whomever dug it out of the grave and recycled the platform ! (from a financial point of view: fully depreciated, amortized, profited already) It (V-6) got the same CR (outstandingly HIGH ) marks as the MUCH higher end Tesla 95/100 points. Edmunds.com almost gave the I4 a used dishwater rating (not in those words) . Clearly (to me anyway), the I4 was mated to the platform so they could rate it the EPA H mpg of 31. So I am thinking given your 3.0 TDI/Blue Tec engine experiences and my arm chaired SWAG from my Touareg aka 3.0 TDI experiences, the STS/Impala platform with a 3.0 L TDI would indeed be a formidable diesel competitor (large economy sedan) with an easy EPA H of 30 to 35 mpg. I do understand we are talking Frankenstein like (not pejorative) experimentation.
#10165 of 11692 Re: AMAZING US Car ! ? Clark Kent by day.... [ruking1]
Jul 25, 2013 (8:42 am)
Maybe Opel has a suitable engine in their stable. A midsize diesel would be optimal, like it is for the Germans. Or they could really trailblaze and make a diesel hybrid model.
#10166 of 11692 Re: AMAZING US Car ! ? Clark Kent by day.... [fintail]
Jul 25, 2013 (11:22 am)
While the full sized sedan is in a "dying" (LARGE CAR) segment, the majority of the PV fleet are STILL large cars (app 65-70%). This new Chevrolet Impala (IF TDI ) MIGHT be a new metric for a possible large car segment revival. I think if you get a good percentage to report 35 to 40 mpg 55 to 65 mph( for a large car)... that is really tall cotton.
Using Gagrice as an example. IF they got 30-35 (40 even) mpg in a Lexus LS 400 TDI, why would they want to get rid of it?
As for the diesel hybrid, not many folks even know the VW offers Touareg in a gasser hybrid. FAR FAR less % of Touareg buyers BITE and some of the gasser hybrids are being sold with even steeper discounts to good discounts. So for example current 13 VWT inventory indicates 24/1327 or 1.8%. The math at almost any level does not seem to be there. AND this is not the vilified DIESEL! aka it is a gasser hybrid in one of the largest WW gasser hybrid market, that really is not a high volume product nor are the low volumes...selling.