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Jul 23, 2013 (6:48 pm)
Our 2011 Honda Pilot would be an ideal candidate for a diesel engine. There's only so much Honda can do with regards to fuel economy with the current V6 gas engine/transmission combinations. My major complaint about the Pilot isn't the gas mileage (I bought it for the space, not the fuel economy), but the range. I drove from my house in CT today to Philadelphia, then from Philly to Arlington, VA (right outside DC). We drove approximately 300 miles and my distance to empty tells me I've got 60 miles to go. I averaged 20 mpg on the trip which included me setting my cruise at 70 and hitting some heavy DC PM rush hour traffic. Overall, not too bad by our pilots standards, but a vehicle this size should be able to go 500 - 600 miles per tank.
I also saw a Golf TDI that I liked today. Silver 4 door with Black 5 Spoke VW wheels. Very sharp looking.
#10152 of 11692 Re: Our 2011 Pilot [nyccarguy]
Jul 23, 2013 (7:12 pm)
Indeed no (turbo diesel) joy no matter how logical a progression that would be ! I was reading the Honda Pilot and Acura MDX share the Honda Odyssey (minivan) platform. Indeed the mpg numbers sound similar. To improve on those numbers for 2014, they redesigned the Acura MDX to run on the RDX platform. Honda Pilot remaining relatively unchanged for 2014 MY. It would seem the fuel economy was a front burner issue, now at EPA H 28 UP from 21 (Honda Pilot being 25 EPA H). It remains to be seen what the real world figures will be.
#10155 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [Stever@Edmunds]
Jul 24, 2013 (3:43 pm)
Interesting, but I think the fuel price relationships are way off there. I've had my diesel car for almost 6 months now, and not once has diesel been near premium - most of the time it has been closer to regular. For a car that requires premium, it seems like an easy choice.
#10156 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [fintail]
Jul 24, 2013 (4:35 pm)
Indeed it is ! I know of none to few cars that "require" premium to really get "good " mpg. In the case of diesels, " like for like" model cars using premium gets FAR less mpg and percentage. Of course, any car can register the effects of "hyper miling".
Now I am not sure if this is off topic and or TMI or both, but I read a financial article saying (upshot) one of the reasons that RUG to PUG prices are so (record) HIGH is not only because it is a DE FACTO tax on anybody that either wants to or has to use it, but since there are less demands for them, AND the fact there is too much inventory chasing too few buyers: that (domestic) refineries are shipping inventories OVERSEAS rather than take a "hit in prices" (like they have been doing for years with diesel inventories) !!!!! Ergo driving up the prices for RUG/PUG: (no good deeds go unpunished)
#10157 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [ruking1]
Jul 24, 2013 (4:20 pm)
And for highline cars, premium fuel is needed to take advantage of the high feature engines - and on tuned models, premium is not just recommended, it is required. For highline cars that even recommend premium, the running costs comparisons need to be made with premium vs diesel, not regular vs diesel. Even if an engine can run on regular, the experience will be as intended with premium.
#10158 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [fintail]
Jul 24, 2013 (4:40 pm)
Yeah, I really scratch my head on this one. Why get a car which premium (PUG) is recommended or required and use RUG??? Incidentally both a higher volume and percentage use PUG (estimated to be 9% of the passenger vehicle fleet) than diesel (5%).
#10159 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [ruking1]
Jul 24, 2013 (4:46 pm)
I also wonder about the longterm consequences of using RUG in a PUG car, and the mentality of someone who will pay 50K+++ for a car and then cheap out on the gas. Not the used car I would want, anyway.
#10160 of 11692 Re: Shocker, Diesel or NOT ! [fintail]
Jul 24, 2013 (4:50 pm)
Agreed on using RUG where PUG is needed. When my wife loans out her LS400 to family she always puts a big note on the dash. Premium only. I doubt it has had anything else in 24 years. Even with ULSD I would only use a name brand like Shell Chevron or BP. I think all the mileage records have been set using Shell Diesel.