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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Re: Hit 60 mph in 7 seconds [bpeebles] by colloquor
Oct 27, 2009 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Oct 26, 2009 2:52 pm)

Practically all new vehicles today have acceptably quick acceleration 0 to 60, compared to cars of 40 or so years ago. Even some "so called" sports cars at that time, especially the plebeian British and Italian variants, were in the 9 to 11 second range 0 to 60, much akin to the econoboxes of today.
 
I remember when I owned a 1970 Simca 1204 (aka 1100 in Europe), I did a lot of driving on interstates in PA, NY, and in the Chicago area. All with a 1.2 litre 60HP engine and a 4-speed manual gearbox. It would cruise at 75 all day long without a whimper and deliver 35MPG+.
 
Smart driving techniques kept me alive with that vehicle; the same as literally hundreds of thousands of drivers across the country driving underpowered 36 to 50HP VW bugs on the freeways. It can be done, you just have to know the limits and change your driving style.
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Re: Hit 60 mph in 7 seconds [colloquor] by rcarr7
Oct 27, 2009 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: colloquor (Oct 27, 2009 7:56 am)

I am sure what you say is true. I also actually "survived" (literally no incidents/accidents) app 250,000 miles in a VW Bug. Just TOO many oil changes and TOO many sets of tires. The real reason why I sold it (even with too little miles ) was no A/C ah... in Miami, FL.
 
However I would change NONE of the latest VW's, ( 03/09 TDI's) for circa 1970's VW "BUG's" nor the NHTSA accident fatality back drops of the times. While anybody can google the figures for those time periods. The graphic of BLOOD ALLEY vs the LATEST lowest fatality (accident also ) rates in NHTSA record history sure beats it !! While one would be tempted to pine for the "good ole days", the fact of the matter: ... THESE are the good ole days !
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Re: Hit 60 mph in 7 seconds [rcarr7] by bpeebles
Oct 27, 2009 (2:26 pm)
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Replying to: rcarr7 (Oct 27, 2009 8:36 am)

whooa... the "good ol days" allowed 2-cycle engines to be sold in the USA. Almost twice the power for half the weight. Never any oil-changes and and what a sweeettt sound the tripple cylinder engines made.
 
Also, the wankle-cycle engines with the 15,000 RPM redline sounded sweeet and made lots of power/weight. Now, even 2-cycle diesles are hard to find.
 
At least my push lawnmower is 2-cycle and I have a tripple-cylinder motorcycle in the basement 8-)
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Re: Hit 60 mph in 7 seconds [bpeebles] by rcarr7
Oct 27, 2009 (2:30 pm)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Oct 27, 2009 2:26 pm)

Nothing like a stint at responsibility for lawn care for 120 acres to cure ya !! For those used to sq ft of office space (1 acre= 43560 sq ft * 120 acres) that ='s 5.23 M sq feet.
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any takers? by steve_ HOST
Nov 04, 2009 (9:20 am)
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Diesel Jeep Wrangler Coming in 4th Quarter 2010 (Straightline)
 
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Re: any takers? [steve_] by british_rover
Nov 04, 2009 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 04, 2009 9:20 am)

Uhhh yeah just make it faster.
 
Might help convince Rover to bring over Diesel SUVs too.
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Re: any takers? [british_rover] by steve_ HOST
Nov 04, 2009 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 04, 2009 9:35 am)

I doubt that the Liberty CRD made a lot of non-diesel owners all that interested in getting a diesel. Or maybe I should say non-truck, non-VW owners?
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Re: any takers? [steve_] by british_rover
Nov 04, 2009 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 04, 2009 9:50 am)

Yeah but the Liberty is garbage the only good thing about the Libery is a Diesel powered one.
 
I have driven plenty of gas and one diesel liberty and the diesel makes that car livable but it is still a poor car. Plus that was still an old school loud diesel. Hopefully this one will be more modern and quiet.
 
The Wrangler on the other hand is a very good vehicle to begin with.
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Re: any takers? [steve_] by gagrice
Nov 04, 2009 (10:04 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 04, 2009 9:20 am)

It would depend on which engine they use. If they go with the 4 cylinder from Daimler it should be a good vehicle. It seems the diesel Liberty is less than hoped for in reliability. Though I have not followed that thread for a couple years. I think that is an Italian diesel by VM Motors. Though I think it was a good engine until they brought it to the USA with all the add-ons to satisfy the EPA.
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Re: any takers? [gagrice] by kcram HOST
Nov 04, 2009 (7:37 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 04, 2009 10:04 am)

It will either be a Fiat or third party diesel... don't expect much from Daimler in the Chrysler product plans.
 
kcram - Pickups/Wagons Host

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