Last post on Dec 04, 2013 at 10:22 AM
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#11660 of 11669 Re: filling the void [gagrice]
Dec 03, 2013 (8:18 pm)
..."Most here have the Explorers loaded to the gills with electronics. No wonder we are going broke."...
Up in these parts also ! I had one jut recently almost run up my tail pipe in the #4/4 lanes (no light or sirens).
#11661 of 11669 Re: filling the void [gagrice]
Dec 03, 2013 (8:22 pm)
..."I wish our police septs were a little more interested in saving the tax payers money."...
The last time I went on a ride along, the officer said he normally got 14/15 mpg.
#11662 of 11669 Will Diesel keep MB on top of Lux market?
Dec 04, 2013 (8:10 am)
Mercedes is still in the lead this year for the Luxury market. With BMW close behind.
Mercedes-Benz's BlueTEC diesel models recorded sales of 1,724 for the month, up 8.0%, and 15,092 year-to-date, an increase of 9.9% from the 13,738 units sold in November 2012.
BMW does not say anything about their Diesel sales.
As of the end of November:
BMW YTD 271,891
MB YTD 279,501
If anyone on this thread cares, Lexus is a distant 3rd with YTD of 239,090. They need to get off the stick and start offering diesels in the the USA.
#11663 of 11669 Re: Will Diesel keep MB on top of Lux market? [gagrice]
Dec 04, 2013 (8:48 am)
From what I know, Lexus doesn't have diesel anywhere. There used to be a diesel IS designed for Europe, but it was dropped, probably in favor of even duller hybrids.
#11664 of 11669 Re: Will Diesel keep MB on top of Lux market? [fintail]
Dec 04, 2013 (9:12 am)
I think the good/bad news are hybrids are indeed versatile. VW, BMW, MB, et al, all see the (hybrid) writing on the walls, (more like ugly in your face graffiti) and offer hybrids. So for example, VW Touareg is offered in a supercharged hybrid gasser version. EPA rated 24 mpg or 1/2 mpg better than gasser. The marketing advantage is "better" fuel mileage than either the V6 gasser and a mythical V8 and the PUNCH of a V8 when one wants it.
#11665 of 11669 Re: Will Diesel keep MB on top of Lux market? [fintail]
Dec 04, 2013 (9:23 am)
If not for the fancy Camry ES350 and the Faberge Egg RX they may as well shut the doors. Those two account for 65% of Lexus sales. I don't think they sell enough Lexus in the rest of the World to keep the factories open. Not sure why they have not just added them to what they build here in the Toyota factories. Probably political pressure in Japan.
#11666 of 11669 Re: Will Diesel keep MB on top of Lux market? [gagrice]
Dec 04, 2013 (9:58 am)
Indeed and both are getting very long in the tooth. Now I personally do not see that as a "BAD" thing. However, current market wisdom/s is/are (sex) novelty SELLS !! They have been riding on the "reliability/durability" reputation and for a long time.
So for example the 14 Chevrolet Impala was rated #1 in Motorweek's episode test of "FULL" sized sedans . The (Toyota) Avalon, while being good didn't even make the top 5 in the testing. Not bad for a retired but recycled Caddie platform?
But I think it will be hard to ignore the "SMALL" suv segment (Honda CRV, Toyota Rav4)
#11667 of 11669 Re: Will Diesel keep MB on top of Lux market? [gagrice]
Dec 04, 2013 (10:14 am)
Hey, the ES is a fancy (and better looking) Avalon now, it's moving up. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise, as some say, Lexus = Luxury EXperiment for the US. I am surprised there aren't more US built models too, as some RX are built in Canada. Some kind of prestige thing involved, or maybe the US is only good enough to make Camrollas.
#11668 of 11669 Re: Will Diesel keep MB on top of Lux market? [ruking1]
Dec 04, 2013 (10:17 am)
An efficient high power engine mated to a hybrid seems like the best of both worlds - when most of them so far are tired hamsters on treadmills mated to a hybrid. I am not against hybrids per se, just have to find one that can be useful when driven in anything but a distracted daze.
#11669 of 11669 Re: Will Diesel keep MB on top of Lux market? [fintail]
Dec 04, 2013 (10:22 am)
Well they are well thought of and do work well in diesel/hybrid and natural gas railroad engines !! But yes that is way outside our chosen topic.
However hybrids in gassers do preserve their $ premiums (unfortunately) The issues (for me) are price to performance ratios (not good in my opinion).