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Which Automaker will have the first EV in the USA?

60 messages,  Last post on Aug 27, 2009 at 5:59 PM

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Re: I don't believe [boaz47] by nippononly
Feb 27, 2009 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Feb 26, 2009 12:50 pm)

But the RAV-EV was available for sale to retail customers for MY 2002 and 2003. So it counts as the first?
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Re: I don't believe [nippononly] by gagrice
Feb 27, 2009 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 27, 2009 10:52 am)

A few Ford Ranger EVs were sold in the 1998 to 2003 period also. Most were leased and recalled.
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Re: I don't believe [gagrice] by nippononly
Feb 27, 2009 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 27, 2009 11:35 am)

Toyota sold well under 1000 of those RAV4-EVs before they quit trying. But a few made it out there, there's someone in my daily commute that I see regularly driving one.
 
I'm not sure it's such a good idea when manufacturers plaster 'EV' in huge letters on the side of their EV models (like in the case of the RAV4-EV). That is probably not to the tastes of many who might otherwise buy one.
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Re: I don't believe [nippononly] by boaz47
Mar 02, 2009 (2:44 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 27, 2009 1:16 pm)

I'm not sure it's such a good idea when manufacturers plaster 'EV' in huge letters on the side of their EV models (like in the case of the RAV4-EV). That is probably not to the tastes of many who might otherwise buy one.
 
You could be right. But if they made it ugly like a Prius wouldn't they sell? It would seem that the same mind set that drives people or drove people to the first and second generation Prius would have fit the need of the people that would buy EVs. I don't care what they put on one I just want one that is priced reasonable and is a light total EV. I don't want to hear Toyota's excuses of why they "can't build one or why we wouldn't buy one. Build the sucker and see. If the little company in Vista can build one mister Yota or mister GM and build it for less than 30K then they darn well should be able to as well. I don't care what they have to do with the UAW.
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Ford, Nissan & Tesla get first EV R&D money from Feds by gagrice
Jun 24, 2009 (1:57 pm)
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Ford, Nissan and Tesla are the first to get loans
Tom Stundza -- Purchasing, 6/24/2009 4:15:24 PM
 
Ford, Nissan and Tesla Motors are the first beneficiaries of a $25 billion U.S. Department of Energy loan program to help car makers revamp factories to produce advanced-technology vehicles.
 
Nissan Motor Co. was granted $1.6 billion in loans to make more than 100,000 electric cars a year at its plant in Smyrna, Tenn., by 2013. Ford Motor Co. will use $5.9 billion in loans to help retool plants in Illinois, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri and Ohio to produce 13 fuel-efficient models, including 5,000 to 10,000 electric ones a year starting in 2011.
 
Tesla Motors, a California start-up that makes a $109,000 electric sports car, gained approval for a $465 million loan to develop an affordable family sedan.

 
http://www.purchasing.com/article/295655-Uncle_Sam_expands_funding_of_electric_c- ars_R_D.php
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Re: Ford, Nissan & Tesla get first EV R&D money from Feds [gagrice] by boaz47
Jun 25, 2009 (6:48 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 24, 2009 1:57 pm)

That is just depressing. We are giving tax money to a Japanese company that is owned by the French. Couldn’t the French or Japan give Nissan the money?
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Re: Ford, Nissan & Tesla get first EV R&D money from Feds [boaz47] by larsb
Jun 25, 2009 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jun 25, 2009 6:48 am)

It's not a "gift" it's a LOAN......and the end result from the money will benefit us all.....it's a win-win......nothing to be depressed about.
 
Nissan employs a lot of USA employees too, just like all major foreign automakers.
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Re: Ford, Nissan & Tesla get first EV R&D money from Feds [larsb] by boaz47
Jun 25, 2009 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 25, 2009 7:10 am)

I toss the BS flag. Nissan is a foreign owned company as as such deserves none of the US taxpayers money. If you want to use the US workers as an excuse give the money to the employees but not the foreign management. The US tax payer buys a lot of foreign cars so should we expect foreign tax payers to lend GM money?
 
Where does it stop? The bail out to wall street was a loan. The bail out to auto manufacturers was a loan. The bail out to the banks was a loan. By the way the banking loans were restricted to domestic owned banks because even though foreign banks employ US citizens they are not domestic controlled. We owe nothing to a Japanese or French company. Never have never will.
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Re: Ford, Nissan & Tesla get first EV R&D money from Feds [boaz47] by larsb
Jun 25, 2009 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jun 25, 2009 10:22 am)

Toss that flag all you want, but Americans will benefit from this deal. Guys like you and me and your cousin Benny and my cousin Kanji.
 
And you are right - we owe them nothing. Now they owe US and will repay us, with interest.
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If our gasoline taxes.. by iluvmysephia1
Jun 25, 2009 (7:25 pm)
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don't go up, or our Fed.income taxes likewise don't go up it might eventually benefit Americans overall to give to these Japanese automakers. Sort of let your mind run...ummm....free for a sec and see if you can picture it in a positive frame.
 
"They took our jerbs!"

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