Article Comments - 2008 Honda Fit vs. 2008 Toyota Prius

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#83 of 92 Re: [kdhspyder] by tonyspumoni Nov 01, 2008 (3:09 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 22, 2008 10:41 am) We ought to then add ourselves to the database, if only to make it more real. My wife's lifetime average on her '05 Prius is 42 mpg over 45k miles whereas my lifetime average on my '04 Prius is 44 mpg over 67k miles. I'd say 70:30 burbs/highway with very little city driving, some hypermiling, Michelins on both. My concern about any database is that it is only as good as the data comprising it. If there is any sampling bias from what might largely be self responders, then the data may be biased. What does this mean? Well, if only people who get great gas mileage are responding while those getting poorer mileage are not - what do we have to brag about after all - then that 47.7 mpg would be a highly dubious number because it is the average of just the good mileage cars. If "GH" stands for "Green Hybrid", then all data is volunteered data. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Nov 08, 2008 10:14 am) tonyspumoni (Nov 08, 2008 3:16 pm)
#84 of 92 Re: Not in my area! [tiff_c] by backy Nov 01, 2008 (3:33 pm)
Replying to: tiff_c (Nov 01, 2008 9:24 am) Then the dealers will be begging people to buy them compared to now. Beg? Based on what's been said about the improved fuel economy of the 2010 Prius, I don't think we'll see much dealer begging anytime in the forseeable future. But maybe there won't be the wait lists once supply improves and some alternatives like the Insight become available. As far as begging is concerned... I got on the wait list for the 2009 Fit a few months ago (actually did it a year ago, but the dealership lost that record somehow). I decided to buy a used car instead, to save several thousand bucks up front and get more safety and convenience features (3-Series coupe), but got a call from the Honda sales rep (a different one than the one I worked with for the wait list, seems he "moved on") a few days ago to tell me my car was in. I told him to pass it on to the next lucky person on the wait list. A couple of days later I got a call from yet another Honda rep, who told me the one who talked to me had "moved on" and got very close to pleading with me to take the Fit (base silver AT). I explained I had decided to save some money and go the used route, but he seemed very interested in having me take that Fit. So while Priuses are in very short supply, it appears Fits are not selling as well as one might think for an all-new, gas-sipping small car. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2009 10:11 am) backy (Jan 22, 2009 5:50 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2009 7:33 pm)
#85 of 92 Re: [tonyspumoni] by kdhspyder Nov 08, 2008 (10:14 am)
Replying to: tonyspumoni (Nov 01, 2008 3:09 pm) Agreed concerning the volunteered samples. However after a significant number of samples the 'tainted' samples tend to be balanced out in both directions. The 60+ mpg samples balance out the 35 mpg reports; the 55 mpg vs the 40 mpg; etc. The middle 50% of samples is very consistent in the 45-50 mpg range with the mean and the median being right at 47.6 mpg which happens to be exactly what I've been getting after 93000 mi ( 47.9 mpg ). There is too much correlation in the data and individual reports. Even if your vehicle was added at say 43 mpg it wouldn't move the mean or median one smidge. The weight of the numbers makes the histogram very very tight. Replies to this message: tonyspumoni (Nov 08, 2008 3:16 pm)
#86 of 92 Re: [kdhspyder] by tonyspumoni Nov 08, 2008 (3:16 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 08, 2008 10:14 am) I like the line of reasoning, yet it would still be interesting to compare these results to those obtained by random, non-volunteer sampling. Sampling bias is a well-documented phenomenon - just look at the '04 presidential election results comparing exit polling to actual election results where conservatives tended to not offer an opinion while demoncrats were more vociferous. Another variable might be gas blends. Here in SoCal we're are pretty much stuck with 10% EtOH blends which, by repute, tend to negatively impact mileage.
#87 of 92 On Green Hybrid by oldcoach Nov 10, 2008 (11:03 am)
I record on HY and I am getting 48.6 average mpg on my 08 prius, with 5100 miles. 48.6 is not too bad.
#88 of 92 I favor the '09 Fit over the '04 Prius by tonyspumoni Nov 26, 2008 (8:34 pm)
Posted this on the largest Fit forum (First Drive)..., but thought I drop in here briefly. I used to own both an '04 and an 05' Prius. I recently sold the '04, kept the '05 (my wife's car), and bought an '09 Fit MT Sport. I liked the Prius but love the new Fit. I haven't had the Fit long - a week - and haven't racked up the miles - 170 or so - but even if the mileage computer is off by 15%, I'm still getting over 35 mpg (computer says 41.7 mpg now) under the exact same conditions where, over the course of four years, I've managed a lifetime calculated mileage in the Prius of 45 mpg. The Fit handles better, rides better (firmer and more connected), steers better, seems quieter under power (the Prius whines like sleep-deprived four year old when you hammer it), and feels more like a car and less like a driving appliance. To be fair, my wife says she still prefers the Prius which she characterizes as "smoother", which I interpret as "more isolated from the road". Paradoxically, while indeed firmer, the Fit's ride is not jarring or jumpy - just more engaged with the road. This is of course quite subjective and not a terribly fair comparision, since the Fit's suspension has 170 miles on it and the Prius's had 67k and 45k under their respective belts, but having ridden in a friend's newer Prius it seems more true than not that the Prius rides like a Camry while the Fit rides like the old Civics used to ride.
#89 of 92 Re: Not in my area! [backy] by thegraduate Jan 22, 2009 (10:11 am)
Replying to: backy (Nov 01, 2008 3:33 pm) Backy, cmon now. Because a dealer wanted you to buy his product, all of the sudden they are struggling to sell Fits? Its their job to sell you a car! Replies to this message: backy (Jan 22, 2009 5:50 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2009 7:33 pm)
#90 of 92 Re: Not in my area! [thegraduate] by backy Jan 22, 2009 (5:50 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2009 10:11 am) I didn't say (three months ago) that the dealer was "struggling" to sell Fits. I just thought it was interesting that there was this big waiting list, they had a no-haggle policy of MSRP for the 2009 Fit (at least they weren't marking them up as some dealers were doing back then), yet the Fit I had waited in line for but decided to pass on had no one behind me ready to snap it up. Recall this was when the 2009 Fit had just come out. Maybe someone would have snapped it up if the dealer had demonstrated they were more interested in selling the car by offering some kind of discount on it. I'm sure someone has driven it home by now, though. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2009 7:33 pm)
#91 of 92 Re: Not in my area! [backy] by thegraduate Jan 22, 2009 (7:33 pm)
Replying to: backy (Jan 22, 2009 5:50 pm) Replied on my iPod Touch, so I didn't notice the date of the post, sorry. While you didn't "say" that the dealer was struggling to sell Fits, it sure seemed to imply something like that when you mention the dealer and the word "pleading" in the same sentence.
#92 of 92 Why not license the technology to GM, Ford, Chrysler..?? by Bigdaddy4444 Jan 25, 2009 (10:36 am)
Toyota has figured out the winning combination... in the Prius. Meanwhile GM, Ford, Chrysler... they're talking about totally battery powered cars in 2 years... Totally Battery powered with a range of 100 miles for 40,000.00 ... and yet we're giving them all money in a bailout...?? I wouldn't buy one of those...for 20,000.00 when compared to the Prius that offers the engine to recharge the batteries... why not go to Toyota and Licence their drivetrain and build Skylarks and Camaros etc on the Toyota Prius drivetrain? I don't get it? A totally batttery powered car is unacceptable... you constantly run the risk of being stranded at the 100 mile mark... dumb....