Article Comments - 2008 Honda Fit vs. 2008 Toyota Prius

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#77 of 92 Re: [tiff_c] by kdhspyder Oct 22, 2008 (6:41 am)
Replying to: tiff_c (Oct 22, 2008 5:38 am) Now that the '09 Prius' are in and the economy has slowed there's plenty of supply along with discounts. You have to buy a Navi to get VSA? Replies to this message: thegraduate (Oct 22, 2008 6:48 am)
#78 of 92 Re: [backy] by thegraduate Oct 22, 2008 (6:48 am)
Replying to: backy (Oct 20, 2008 8:55 pm) Buyers of cars may not want to change driving habits in order to achieve the numbers that are hyped about. The average is 32mpg for the Fit in mostly city driving (5mpg higher than EPA estimates, actually), while they only got 42mpg in the Prius (6mpg below the EPA estimates). If the difference was 27mpg vs. 48mpg, as the EPA states it should be, that would be a lot more complelling of a case for the much more expensive Prius. This reminds me of my dad, who drives the same way in every car, and wants a car that will deliver good mileage despite his driving style, which is admittedly pretty racy, seeing 5000rpm on a regular day once or twice is the norm. His Civic delivers 30mpg in his commute, 6 mpg better than he gets when driving mom's 263 horsepower Taurus. He doesn't drive the Civic easier to squeeze extra mileage out of it because it is an economy car. He just drives it how he always drives. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Oct 22, 2008 10:41 am) tonyspumoni (Nov 01, 2008 3:09 pm) kdhspyder (Nov 08, 2008 10:14 am) and 1 more...
#79 of 92 Re: [kdhspyder] by thegraduate Oct 22, 2008 (6:48 am)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 22, 2008 6:41 am) You have to buy a Navi to get VSA? In the Honda, yes. Isn't that nuts?
#80 of 92 Re: [tiff_c] by backy Oct 22, 2008 (9:21 am)
Replying to: tiff_c (Oct 22, 2008 5:38 am) I don't want/need a navi system, a factory one anyway. I do want/need ESC. Just because Honda doesn't let me buy a Fit with ESC (VSA) without a navi system doesn't mean I give them a break because of it. Advantage: Prius (I can get a Prius with ESC and without navi.) As for buying a Prius at MSRP, I know for a fact I can do that, just as I know I can buy a Fit at MSRP, but good luck getting much if any of a discount on either of them right now.
#81 of 92 Re: [thegraduate] by kdhspyder Oct 22, 2008 (10:41 am)
Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 22, 2008 6:48 am) The 42 mpg is one sample in one set of driving tests. In fact it's almost impossible to get 42 mpg over a lifetime of driving in a Prius. 47.7 is the 'lifetime' average of 1700+ drivers in the GH database. It's a much more accurate figure than using one sample of one test. The problem with using that number is there is also one sample in one test where one driver gets 60+mpg in a Prius. As you well know generalizing from the specific to the general is a logical fallacy. Use the GH database and/or the EPA samples which are much more statistically valid. The result will be ~ 48 mpg, which is exactly what I achieve after 93000 mi in just under 3 yrs. Replies to this message: tonyspumoni (Nov 01, 2008 3:09 pm) kdhspyder (Nov 08, 2008 10:14 am) tonyspumoni (Nov 08, 2008 3:16 pm)
#82 of 92 Not in my area! by tiff_c Nov 01, 2008 (9:24 am)
No chance at even getting a Prius. I asked several dealers. Nope, 3-4 month wait if you want one and no discounts. Ok so I will wait for the 2010 Prius which should be much better and with a lot of competition so the prices and availability should be better. Then the dealers will be begging people to buy them compared to now. Replies to this message: backy (Nov 01, 2008 3:33 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2009 10:11 am) backy (Jan 22, 2009 5:50 pm) and 1 more...
#83 of 92 Re: [kdhspyder] by tonyspumoni Nov 01, 2008 (3:09 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 22, 2008 10:41 am) We ought to then add ourselves to the database, if only to make it more real. My wife's lifetime average on her '05 Prius is 42 mpg over 45k miles whereas my lifetime average on my '04 Prius is 44 mpg over 67k miles. I'd say 70:30 burbs/highway with very little city driving, some hypermiling, Michelins on both. My concern about any database is that it is only as good as the data comprising it. If there is any sampling bias from what might largely be self responders, then the data may be biased. What does this mean? Well, if only people who get great gas mileage are responding while those getting poorer mileage are not - what do we have to brag about after all - then that 47.7 mpg would be a highly dubious number because it is the average of just the good mileage cars. If "GH" stands for "Green Hybrid", then all data is volunteered data. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Nov 08, 2008 10:14 am) tonyspumoni (Nov 08, 2008 3:16 pm)
#84 of 92 Re: Not in my area! [tiff_c] by backy Nov 01, 2008 (3:33 pm)
Replying to: tiff_c (Nov 01, 2008 9:24 am) Then the dealers will be begging people to buy them compared to now. Beg? Based on what's been said about the improved fuel economy of the 2010 Prius, I don't think we'll see much dealer begging anytime in the forseeable future. But maybe there won't be the wait lists once supply improves and some alternatives like the Insight become available. As far as begging is concerned... I got on the wait list for the 2009 Fit a few months ago (actually did it a year ago, but the dealership lost that record somehow). I decided to buy a used car instead, to save several thousand bucks up front and get more safety and convenience features (3-Series coupe), but got a call from the Honda sales rep (a different one than the one I worked with for the wait list, seems he "moved on") a few days ago to tell me my car was in. I told him to pass it on to the next lucky person on the wait list. A couple of days later I got a call from yet another Honda rep, who told me the one who talked to me had "moved on" and got very close to pleading with me to take the Fit (base silver AT). I explained I had decided to save some money and go the used route, but he seemed very interested in having me take that Fit. So while Priuses are in very short supply, it appears Fits are not selling as well as one might think for an all-new, gas-sipping small car. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2009 10:11 am) backy (Jan 22, 2009 5:50 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2009 7:33 pm)
#85 of 92 Re: [tonyspumoni] by kdhspyder Nov 08, 2008 (10:14 am)
Replying to: tonyspumoni (Nov 01, 2008 3:09 pm) Agreed concerning the volunteered samples. However after a significant number of samples the 'tainted' samples tend to be balanced out in both directions. The 60+ mpg samples balance out the 35 mpg reports; the 55 mpg vs the 40 mpg; etc. The middle 50% of samples is very consistent in the 45-50 mpg range with the mean and the median being right at 47.6 mpg which happens to be exactly what I've been getting after 93000 mi ( 47.9 mpg ). There is too much correlation in the data and individual reports. Even if your vehicle was added at say 43 mpg it wouldn't move the mean or median one smidge. The weight of the numbers makes the histogram very very tight. Replies to this message: tonyspumoni (Nov 08, 2008 3:16 pm)
#86 of 92 Re: [kdhspyder] by tonyspumoni Nov 08, 2008 (3:16 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 08, 2008 10:14 am) I like the line of reasoning, yet it would still be interesting to compare these results to those obtained by random, non-volunteer sampling. Sampling bias is a well-documented phenomenon - just look at the '04 presidential election results comparing exit polling to actual election results where conservatives tended to not offer an opinion while demoncrats were more vociferous. Another variable might be gas blends. Here in SoCal we're are pretty much stuck with 10% EtOH blends which, by repute, tend to negatively impact mileage.