Article Comments - 2008 Honda Fit vs. 2008 Toyota Prius

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#26 of 92 Re: Makes sense to me ... [backy] by 1stpik Aug 07, 2008 (4:20 am)
Replying to: backy (Aug 06, 2008 7:11 pm) "OK, let's compare a Civic DX coupe to the Civic Hybrid." OK, let's compare a two-door car with a manual transmission, no stereo, and no air conditioning to a four-door car with a CVT, six-speaker stereo with satellite radio and GPS, plus cruise control, auto climate control, and many other comfort features. Yeah, that'll prove once and for all that hybrids suck! When I said, 'simply compare the Honda Civic with the Civic Hybrid,' I forgot that some people will seize on any nuance in semantics to justify their position. So, yes, I should have specified that the test should be between the Civic EX and the Civic Hybrid -- that any topic presented as a "comparison" should actually entail a modicum of fairness. But don't worry. You could still compare those two cars and prove that hybrids suck. All you need to do is have a 95 lb. female drive the regular Civic at 55 mph across Western Kansas in whichever direction the wind is blowing on a warm spring day. Then, wait until the dead of winter, load up a Civic Hybrid with 5 obese passengers and a bunch of luggage, and drive it straight up a mountain in Colorado during a blizzard. Call it a "real world" test. Voila! You'll prove definitively that hybrids are a rip-off, and anybody who buys one is an idiot. Replies to this message: backy (Aug 07, 2008 6:20 am) 1stpik (Aug 07, 2008 8:17 am) backy (Aug 07, 2008 8:21 am)
#27 of 92 Re: Makes sense to me ... [1stpik] by backy Aug 07, 2008 (6:20 am)
Replying to: 1stpik (Aug 07, 2008 4:20 am) Now I am confused. Didn't you suggest that we should compare the ICE Civic to the Hybrid Civic? But wait... no ICE Civic has a CVT (at least not in the U.S.); only the Hybrid has that. How many non-Hybrid Civics have auto climate control? Do all Hybrid Civics have GPS? So now you say we should compare the EX to the Hybrid. The Civic EX does not have a CVT. The Coivic EX does not have auto climate control. The Civic EX does not have GPS--you'd need the EX-L with nav for that. Replies to this message: 1stpik (Aug 07, 2008 8:17 am) backy (Aug 07, 2008 8:21 am)
#28 of 92 Re: Makes sense to me ... [kdhspyder] by backy Aug 07, 2008 (6:29 am)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Aug 06, 2008 7:52 pm) But why logically would you consider comparing a $15000 vehicle to a $23000 vehicle? Very, very, very, very simple: Suppose someone needs a small 5-door hatchback. There are some that cost around $15k. There are some that cost over $20k. So the buyer starts looking at all the small 5-door hatches. Then, as you noted, they start winnowing down the field based on their requirements. One requirement might be availability of ESC or not. But that is not a criterion for everyone. Maybe a key criterion is cargo hauling flexibility. Maybe another one is sharp handling. Maybe another one is ease of parking (live in a big city maybe). Now the Fit starts to look pretty good wrt the Prius. For other criteria, maybe it doesn't look as good. You sell cars for a living. Surely you know that each buyer is unique, has his/her own requirements that will steer them to certain cars vs. others. Just because the Prius meets YOUR requirements better than the Fit doesn't mean that is true for everyone. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Aug 07, 2008 7:22 pm) backy (Aug 08, 2008 6:24 am) danbeau (Aug 08, 2008 6:43 am) kdhspyder (Aug 08, 2008 9:05 am) backy (Aug 08, 2008 10:37 am) and 7 more... danbeau (Aug 08, 2008 2:41 pm) and 1 more...
#29 of 92 Re: It depends [tiff_c] by bobw3 Aug 07, 2008 (6:52 am)
Replying to: tiff_c (Aug 05, 2008 2:26 pm) If you think the Fit is underpowered, what are the driving conditions where you live? And are you downshifting to a lower gear to get more power when you need it? Replies to this message: tiff_c (Aug 07, 2008 11:48 am)
#30 of 92 Re: Makes sense to me ... [backy] by 1stpik Aug 07, 2008 (8:17 am)
Replying to: backy (Aug 07, 2008 6:20 am) " But wait... no ICE Civic has a CVT" The Fit doesn't have a CVT, yet the Prius does. Funny how that distinction doesn't negate the Fit vs. Prius comparison. And suddenly disparities in creature comforts between the two Civics seem to matter for comparitive purposes ..... but not for the Fit. vs. Prius comparison. And what about the fact that the Civic is manufactured in the United States, while the Civic Hybrid is made in Japan? Plus, the regular Civic uses 10W-40 motor oil, while the hybrid uses 0W-20. And if the two Civics are different colors, then they can't possibly be compared. In case anyone is missing the satire here; it's amusing to hear someone claim that a Honda Fit approximates a Toyota Prius, while also claiming that the i.c.e. and hybrid versions of the Honda Civic are too different to compare. Tune in later for my article: "Chevrolet Aveo vs. Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid." Replies to this message: backy (Aug 07, 2008 8:21 am)
#31 of 92 Re: Makes sense to me ... [1stpik] by backy Aug 07, 2008 (8:21 am)
Replying to: 1stpik (Aug 07, 2008 8:17 am) Who was saying that the ICE and Hybrid versions of the Civic are too different to compare?
#32 of 92 Aveo vs. Tahoe by 1stpik Aug 07, 2008 (8:53 am)
Chevrolet Aveo vs. Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid -- Why Hybrids Suck! Don't let the title of this article fool you. This is a completely fair, unbiased, impartial review of two automobiles for the purpose of determining that hybrids suck -- er, I mean, whether a hybrid represents a good value for the consumer. Now, at first glance, these two autos may appear to be different. One costs $10,000 and the other costs $50,000. One is a 2,300 lb. car while the other is a 5,600 lb. SUV. One has the same interior features as a 1968 Volkswagen Beetle, while the other has every modern creature comfort know to mankind. However, both vehicles are manufactured by GM, and their names both end in an "O" sound, so they're essentially identical. Therefore, the only question is whether you want to pay an extra $40,000 to commute to work and make trips to the grocery store. Trust me, you don't. Well, there you have it! The Aveo wins, and hybrids suck! . Replies to this message: backy (Aug 07, 2008 9:42 am)
#33 of 92 Re: Aveo vs. Tahoe [1stpik] by backy Aug 07, 2008 (9:42 am)
Replying to: 1stpik (Aug 07, 2008 8:53 am) You forgot to mention that both vehicles have four tires (five including the spare), a windshield with wipers, a liftgate in back, a steering wheel, a powerplant in front, and a number of other similarities which makes them virtually identical. Funny thing is, I'll bet there are Chevy dealers that would GIVE you an Aveo if you bought a Tahoe. (And I've seen that kind of promotion before: buy a truck/SUV, get an Aveo!) So that lessens the need for a comparison. You can have both for the price of one! The other not-so-funny thing is, there are people out there right now making this decision, to dump their large SUV and switch to a small car. Except the SUVs are very hard to dump. Maybe the Tahoe Hybrid would be an exception, since it has the "hybrid" cachet and relatively good FE... for a large SUV.
#34 of 92 Re: It depends [bobw3] by tiff_c Aug 07, 2008 (11:48 am)
Replying to: bobw3 (Aug 07, 2008 6:52 am) If you think the Fit is underpowered, what are the driving conditions where you live? And are you downshifting to a lower gear to get more power when you need it? The manual was ok, but my wife wants the automatic and it was sluggish at best. I drove several at different dealers and felt it just wouldn't have enough power for this area. Oh and I see only a few Fits around here. You can't drive 100 feet without seeing a Prius. Fact is the HP in the Fit is pretty minimal for a car that weighs as much as it does. Lots of MINI's up here and the Cooper S gets about the same economy as the Fit with a lot bigger engine. I like the Fit but it needs a few more ponies. It probably has enough if you drive it 90% City but here we have no real city, mostly all suburban and highway. Maybe in CA it's ok but here it's underpowered.
#35 of 92 sorry by fitman548 Aug 07, 2008 (3:39 pm)
not to impugn your driving skills. I've just never been in a situation where I felt the Fit was underpowered. Sometimes you gotta step on the gas and kick the rev up to 4500 or 5000, it's fine. I do 80 in a 75, 72 in a 65. When I'm not paying attention I'll drift up to 85 before remembering to put on cruise control. The Fit is quick enough off the line to make dicey left turns or shoot across a busy street. It does just fine up to 85 mph (can't speak above that). Sometimes it lacks low end torque if you're at like 2000 rpms going 45mph and then need to accelerate, but that's what the shifters are for. Perhaps if you could describe where is actually is that you live, and in what situations you felt that you couldn't keep up with traffic, or were placed in a dangerous situation because of lack of acceleration, it might help clear things up. Now if I had spent a few years driving something with a lot of horses under the hood, maybe my perception might be different. I agree with some small cars you feel like you're driving a roller skate (a trip from chicago to cedar point in an echo made me feel that way), but I've never felt that in a fit. Replies to this message: tiff_c (Aug 08, 2008 6:32 am)