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2008 Honda Fit vs. 2008 Toyota Prius - Thanks to a proprietary function called Edmunds.com True Cost to Own, we can answer the $8,425 question when it comes time to determine the relative value of the 2008 Honda Fit and 2008 Toyota Prius. (more)
 


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#17 of 88
Did anyone mention by thedoctor29
Aug 05, 2008 (4:13 pm)
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Did anyone mention that the Fit is extremely fun to drive?.. I haven't driven a prius but knowing toyota I can assume it probably rides like a boat. And as for fuel economy, it really depends on how you drive it. My gf who owns the Fit Sport (auto) has never gotten under 29mpg, ever.. It varies though, as i hear some people get 25 city which is understandable. If you're in a hurry to get somewhere then those mpg numbers will fall of course.
 
I'm just saying, with efficiency in mind, if you drive the Fit calm and cool, you're going to average 30 or more city mpg, and have a lot more fun doing it than in the Prius.
 
ps. A Used prius is going for more than new ones.. no joke..
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/31/used-prius-prices-higher-than-new-models/
so estimating that a used prius will save you money, is not necessarily true. crazy huh?
 
A used Fit (S) is going for about 15-16, about 1-2k less than a new one.
 
And again, I must say, the Fit is extremely fun to drive. It's been recorded on the slalom at 69mph!! faster than a corvette z06!!
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Re: Did anyone mention [thedoctor29] by kdhspyder
Aug 05, 2008 (7:48 pm)
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Replying to: thedoctor29 (Aug 05, 2008 4:13 pm)

Your link to the current real world market for used Prius' is accurate. However that throws the entire subject article out the window.
 
In Edmunds TCO calcs the largest single expense is Depreciation. In the case of the Prius it's over $12000. So if on the one hand the requirement was that you must consider depreciation ( even if there is little or none ) then the USED Prius is a better buy. The original contention from above.
 If on the other hand one were to say that currently with preowned Prius' bringing higher values than NEW ones then obviously with no depreciation the NEW Prius is a better buy. Buy it new, drive it then sell it for a profit.
 
Either way the comparo with the Fit is dumb. A comparo with a bicycle is just as valid. So why not compare a Prius to a bicycle? But Edmunds has to do something in this slow season - even dumb comparo's, stupidly written.
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Makes sense to me ... by stevedebi
Aug 06, 2008 (4:01 pm)
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I find that comparing the Fit to the Prius in terms of utility, MPG, and cost (including TCO), is very valid.
 
If I were shopping for a small car, I would check out both. But I would also drive the Civic and probably other small cars with good FE.
 
I believe that there are some Prius supporters who simply cannot see that the comparison is based on FE, utility, and cost, not just amenities in the vehicles. They insist on comparable "feature sets" for each vehicle, but the bottom line is - does the buyer care about these features?
 
I understand that people want to point out that the Prius may have more standard features, but that doesn't make the Fit an invalid comparison. The additional features are either an attraction (if the buyer likes them) or a detraction (if the buyer doesn't want the features, and prefers a more basic model).
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Re: Makes sense to me ... [stevedebi] by 1stpik
Aug 06, 2008 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 06, 2008 4:01 pm)

"...does the buyer care about these features?"
 
Yes. That's why Honda makes the Fit, the Civic, the Accord, etc. If features didn't matter, everyone would drive a Chevy Aveo (and save $5,000 off the cost of the Fit).
 
Like I keep saying, if you want a valid comparison, it's easy -- simply compare the Honda Civic with the Civic Hybrid. They're exactly the same, except for the propulsion system.
 
Anyone who avoids THAT obvious comparo, and instead compares a $15,000 car to a $23,000 hybrid, makes it clear that he's cherry-picking the criteria to draw a pre-determined conclusion.
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Re: Makes sense to me ... [1stpik] by backy
Aug 06, 2008 (7:11 pm)
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Replying to: 1stpik (Aug 06, 2008 6:00 pm)

OK, let's compare a Civic DX coupe to the Civic Hybrid. Oh wait, that's comparing a $15k car to a $23k hybrid.
 
Although you would not compare a $15k car to a Prius for your own buying decision, realize that there are those of us who would do it, and have done it. Empathy is a useful thing.
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Re: Makes sense to me ... [stevedebi] by kdhspyder
Aug 06, 2008 (7:35 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 06, 2008 4:01 pm)

Since they are relatively the same in size it does make sense to compare the two for simply utility. Based just on that they are approximately equal.
 
Based on that then the Fit is a much better choice taking into account MSRPs. This has NEVER been questioned. If one doesn't need the 'feature set' of the Prius then the Fit is always the winner. Again it's never been a question. It's the same decision to be made between an Edge and an Rx350. They're both the same size and accomplish the same goal so based solely on utility the Edge is a 'better buy'....unless you don't want an Edge and prefer an Rx350.
 
It's the same with the subject comparo. Buy the cheaper one, it will go from A to B just as well as the more expensive one.....unless you don't want a Fit and prefer a Prius.
 
But...if this is going to be a purely economical analysis with 'feature sets' having no influence on the decision then the $15000 Fit should logically be compared to a $15000 Prius. Then the analysis should be made.
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Re: Makes sense to me ... [kdhspyder] by backy
Aug 06, 2008 (7:41 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Aug 06, 2008 7:35 pm)

If you read the comparo (you did, right?) you noticed that the cars were compared on many criteria, not just on fuel economy. And it was a very narrow margin at the end--the authors admitted that normally such a close finish would be a toss-up. But the TCO advantage of the Fit swayed the decision in its favor.
#24 of 88
Re: Makes sense to me ... [backy] by kdhspyder
Aug 06, 2008 (7:52 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 06, 2008 7:11 pm)

But why logically would you consider comparing a $15000 vehicle to a $23000 vehicle? What purpose does it serve. Is it an attempt to justify buying the more expensive one 'Maybe if I save enough gas then I can justify it?' that seems to be forcing a square peg into a round hole. Just buy the lesser one if all that matters is minimizing the Total Cost of Transportation. That has never been in question.
 
Again however a bicycle is a better choice.
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Re: Makes sense to me ... [backy] by kdhspyder
Aug 06, 2008 (8:08 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 06, 2008 7:41 pm)

Please.... we sell them.
 
From the article the Fit has this deficiency, that deficiency, this safety feature deleted, that amenity missing. But it has more room and a 'cool' back seat. If I was unaware of the Fit I'd exclude it simply because of what it lacks as reported in the article. In fact that's exactly what I did do when I got my Prius.
 
I first excluded all vehicles Corolla/Civic - sized and smaller and all vehicles that didn't have stability control and at least 6 airbags. From the remaining vehicles I chose the one with the best fuel economy.
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Re: Makes sense to me ... [backy] by 1stpik
Aug 07, 2008 (4:20 am)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 06, 2008 7:11 pm)

"OK, let's compare a Civic DX coupe to the Civic Hybrid."
 
OK, let's compare a two-door car with a manual transmission, no stereo, and no air conditioning to a four-door car with a CVT, six-speaker stereo with satellite radio and GPS, plus cruise control, auto climate control, and many other comfort features. Yeah, that'll prove once and for all that hybrids suck!
 
When I said, 'simply compare the Honda Civic with the Civic Hybrid,' I forgot that some people will seize on any nuance in semantics to justify their position. So, yes, I should have specified that the test should be between the Civic EX and the Civic Hybrid -- that any topic presented as a "comparison" should actually entail a modicum of fairness.
 
But don't worry. You could still compare those two cars and prove that hybrids suck. All you need to do is have a 95 lb. female drive the regular Civic at 55 mph across Western Kansas in whichever direction the wind is blowing on a warm spring day. Then, wait until the dead of winter, load up a Civic Hybrid with 5 obese passengers and a bunch of luggage, and drive it straight up a mountain in Colorado during a blizzard. Call it a "real world" test.
 
Voila! You'll prove definitively that hybrids are a rip-off, and anybody who buys one is an idiot.

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