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Intermittent engine cut-out by obelix2
Aug 01, 2008 (10:15 pm)
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I own a 96 3.0l V6 Grand Voyager that developed recently a strange problem:
 
Most days when the car reaches normal working temperature, the engine shuts down intermittently. This may be only one or more brief jolts or it may stay off for several seconds. This happen while driving 70+ mph on the highway. Ones it passes this phase it continues to run normally for the remainder of my 50 mile commute.
A few times, the car came to a stop and it took several minutes to restart the engine and a few times the engine did not start in the morning.
It appears to be electrical in some way, since adding a charger will mostly start the engine. The battery is brand new and fully charged.
The local mechanic does not find anything.
Any idea is appreciated.
Thanks, Obelix2
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Re: Intermittent engine cut-out [obelix2] by wurz
Aug 29, 2009 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: obelix2 (Aug 01, 2008 10:15 pm)

Did you ever find the solution to your Voyager's problem? I have a '95 Voyager (3.0 engine; auto trans; 177,000 miles) that seems to have the same problem - the engine loses power or dies intermittently, but then (usually) restarts almost immediately. It left me stranded on the freeway recently, however, so the problem is getting worse. On that occasion it started after being towed to a repair shop, so they couldn't solve it.
   I've checked all the electrical connections I can find under the hood and I also checked the ignition switch with an ohm meter. The only real clue I have so far is that the engine fires when the ignition switch is in the 'start' position, but it dies as soon as the switch is released to the 'run' position. I'm guessing that the engine electronic control unit is at fault, but it would be helpful to know how your situation was resolved.
Thanks,
wurz
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2000 Dodge Caravan Engine Cuts Out by dragon16
Aug 30, 2009 (11:24 am)
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Desperately seeking advice on how to fix the cause of our 2000 Dodge Caravan's engine cutting out when coming to a stop light/sign, making a turn through an intersection and intermittently on the freeway with no warning. Problem just started this summer. This issue poses a danger and am afraid of being t-boned or rear-ended. There are no dashboard indicator lights lit, just RPM goes to zero. Have replaced the fuel filter...no improvement. Have taken it to AutoZone for a read and there was nothing on it. We've read on other blogs where folks have taken their Caravans to dealers and the dealer's just scratch their heads. No indicator lights, problem doesn't register on their diagnostic tools. We've also read where it could be the EGR, but have also read it's not the EGR. Other blogs have indicated it could be a problem with the Throttlebody. We can't afford to put it out of its misery and replace it with a newer vehicle so we need to fix the problem soon before we cause an accident.
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Re: 2000 Dodge Caravan Engine Cuts Out [dragon16] by xwesx
Aug 31, 2009 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: dragon16 (Aug 30, 2009 11:24 am)

Does the van start right up again without any problems?
 
It may be the MAS (Mass Airflow Sensor) that is causing the issue. I had a very similar problem with a Subaru Outback many years ago, where it would randomly stall (typically approaching or leaving an intersection). No CEL, no other symptoms. I wasted several hundred dollars on "diagnostics" with no success when one mechanic suggested it might be the MAS. I found a used one for relatively cheap, installed it, and never had that problem again. Now, here's the interesting thing.... about five years later, I gave that same MAS (the one I removed from my car) to a fella who had his go out. He cleaned it up (I think he took a carburetor cleaner to the sensor element) and it worked just fine for him for over a year.
 
So, maybe yours just needs to be cleaned?
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Re: 2000 Dodge Caravan Engine Cuts Out [xwesx] by dragon16
Aug 31, 2009 (6:04 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Aug 31, 2009 9:42 am)

Yes, the van starts right up again with no problem other than it gets pretty hairy in mid-turn trying to shift into neutral and crank the engine all the while trying to turn the steering wheel without power.
 
I sprayed the throttlebody last night with trottle cleaner which seems to have helped, but it's too soon to tell for sure. I like your idea and will also try cleaning the MAS. Thanks for the tip!
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Re: Intermittent engine cut-out [obelix2] by jpf
Aug 31, 2009 (7:23 pm)
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Replying to: obelix2 (Aug 01, 2008 10:15 pm)

Have the ignition wires ever been replaced on the vehicle? Some times when the ignition wires are bad, the shut down problem only arises when the engine is fully warmed up. If the wires have never been changed, I would change them. Good luck.
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Re: 2000 Dodge Caravan Engine Cuts Out [dragon16] by levon21117
Sep 01, 2009 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: dragon16 (Aug 30, 2009 11:24 am)

Have similar problem a few years ago - cutting out when suddenly (non-gradually) release gas pedal. Starts OK after that, cuts off in next stop/turn.
1. cleaned throttle where air comes in - helped a little
2. checked EGR valve, it could stuck open: disconnect the vac. tube from it (put something on the end of the tube to prevent vacuum leak). It will pollute, but if it stabilized then EGR is bad. That was my case - replaced EGR, runs good since.
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Re: 2000 Dodge Caravan Engine Cuts Out [levon21117] by olds455
Sep 21, 2009 (11:37 am)
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Replying to: levon21117 (Sep 01, 2009 9:02 am)

My buddy had a '97 that would fail to start form time to time. After MANY times looking for a problem that would never shoe itself while I could look at the car, (it always started when I saw it), We found that the instrument panel has both input and output. Some of the solder joints were cracked and caused the intermittent trouble. It would actually start, run for just a second and cut off. It was similar to the fire in start, but not in run described above. I simply cleaned the coating off the panel back and resoldered any connection that looked like it may be cracked. It has been at least a year since with no more trouble. I know it is not the exact trouble the OP described, but I'd be willing to bet it contributes, or at least will fix some other poster's trouble.
 
Good luck.
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Re: 2000 Dodge Caravan Engine Cuts Out [olds455] by xwesx
Sep 21, 2009 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: olds455 (Sep 21, 2009 11:37 am)

What was the manifestation of the no-start? Would it crank and crank, with no firing of the engine? Or, would it fail to crank at all? Any other symptoms that you recall, such as no activation of the fuel pump, etc?
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Re: 2000 Dodge Caravan Engine Cuts Out [xwesx] by olds455
Sep 22, 2009 (10:57 am)
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Replying to: xwesx (Sep 21, 2009 12:04 pm)

it would crank, run for just a bit and stop. Basically crank and sputter to a stop. NOT at all like the fuel was not there. I cannot remember if I checked for fuel at the rail. I usually do that first, though. The fuel gauge was intermittant at best (it is only marginally better now), I think the gauges would either be zero, or would go full sweep. I don't remember.
Murphy's law.... Every time I went to rescue the van, it started right up wehn I got it to my shop. I don't recall it ever cutting out going down the road. I do remember my buddy BEATING the dash wehn it would not start, an dit finally did start for him.

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