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Sedans Toyota Corolla 08 Civic vs 09 Corolla
40 messages, Last post on Sep 14, 2009 at 1:27 PM
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Hey Dantz, How did you get a Civic for invoice? I tried to offer more than invoice today, and they told me they can't keep the car on the lot, and are in fact selling used Civics for new MSRP prices. They pretty much laughed at me for offering less than MSRP. I have also been trying to decide between the Civic and Corolla. After today, I'm leaning heavily toward Corolla... but if I could get a Civic for invoice, that would work too. I'm just thinking it'll be easier to get a good price on Corollas. Toyota's sales were down 12% in July. Honda's were down too, but not nearly as much. |
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Replying to: jeopardy999 (Aug 16, 2008 1:11 pm) http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f19d878/10 Brad 
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| This is my honest opinion of the new corolla. I went with my friend(interested in the corolla) the other day and i had the chance to inspect all the models of the 09 corolla. THe 09 corolla xle had a black leather seats which was really good and comfortable. Exteriors are ok. If u stare at them for some time , it kinda gets old.... basically i am not all suprised by the new redesign. INterior= major let down, the radio controls are far too away, and the hard plastics are defenitely not scratch proof. The interior felt the same old corolla feel(except the xle seats!). So, to sum it up Looks wise, THe civic wins hands down interior and exterior. IF your priorities are quite ride don't get the the civic. But if u want a little more than the "corolla" feel definetely i recommend the civic(lx or ex)= Smooth engine, 5speed, perfect steering and handling, and just plain fun. | |
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Replying to: jeopardy999 (Aug 16, 2008 1:11 pm) http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2008/07/28/daily63.html?jst=b_ln_h- l http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2008/08/04/daily1.html?ana=from_rss |
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Replying to: sparkland (Aug 16, 2008 1:28 pm)  skeptical, "2008 Honda Civic Problems and Repairs" #105, 7 Aug 2008 9:05 am |
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Replying to: hoopitup2000 (Aug 16, 2008 6:45 am) I don't think the choice of electric power steering or hydraulic steering would have any effect on the driver's ability to detect hydroplaning, as in most cases you really can't feel hydroplaning coming on until it happens. I've had one really bad hydroplaning incident while driving a car with conventional steering, and there wasn't a hint of anything being amiss until I suddenly lost total steering and braking control. I spun the wheel, I hit the brakes, I even tried downshifting, but nothing made any difference as I skimmed along at 60mph, slowly drifting towards the right side of the road and a long, heavily-built rock wall that probably would have killed me if I had smashed into it. Luckily there was a narrow grassy strip fronting the wall, so as soon as the tires on the right side of my car got into the grass they regained traction. My steering wheel was still turned hard left from my previous attempts to steer away from the wall, so as soon as my tires got some grip they sent me shooting back into the road and I almost hit the medial strip divider on the left side of the road before I was able to straighten out the wheels and regain control. The drivers in the cars following me must have thought I was completely nuts, as they were driving along fairly normally with no control problems whatsoever. I'm just glad that I didn't hit the rock wall or one of the other cars. The whole incident taught me some powerful lessons which I will outline here: 1) Don't let your tires get bald, or even close! Once the grooves get down to 4/32" deep, replace your tires. This was my biggest mistake. Here's an article that provides some supporting details: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=85 2) Keep your speed down on wet roads. My big mistake #2. 3) Slow down even more if water is pooling on the road, especially if the road surface is not grooved. Yep, big mistake #3. Tips to further reduce your chances of hydroplaning: 4) Don't allow your tires to become underinflated. Under these conditions the center of the tread goes slightly concave, and this tends trap a pool of water under the tire that will get you up and planing in no time. To prevent this, keep your tires at their correct pressure. To further prevent hydroplaning you can even slightly overinflate your tires, within reason. 5) Install narrower tires. All other things being equal, wider tires will hydroplane sooner. 6) Install tires whose top design priority is reduced hydroplaning. I can't think of the names right now, but there are several. I hope this post helps to prevent somebody from hydroplaning!
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Replying to: jeopardy999 (Aug 16, 2008 1:11 pm) I think it depends on your local conditions, including buyer demand, the number of 2008 Civics that your dealer has in stock or soon to be delivered, the number of 2009 Civics on order, etc. One of our local high-volume dealers was offering at least one Civic LX Sedan per week at $16,349 in their weekly ads, and I managed to pick one up. A competing dealer also tried it for awhile, but they dropped out. Of course, I still had to pay all of the various fees and taxes, so my OTD price was noticeably higher. |
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Replying to: jeopardy999 (Aug 16, 2008 1:11 pm) I don't know if you have a particular preference towards one or the other, but from experience I will say that if you do, don't make your choice just based on which you can get for a better price. Cars cost a bunch. Buy the one you actually prefer. As for Civics, the '09 will have different front and back ends and a few other additions (I believe they are also making it a bit quieter, but I forget exactly what they are doing), so the '08s will quickly become apparent on the lot once the '09s are in. If they are ever going to deal now should be the time. My local dealer is being fairly firm on sticker price, but they are a small operation. I haven't tried any of the larger dealers in the area - I should do it just to see what kind of deals I can get. |
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Replying to: nedzel (Jul 31, 2008 8:52 am) Steering and brakes are both overboosted. Road noise is quite low, but there is a fair bit of noise from other traffic that comes through the side windows. The throttle response from a stop seems a bit odd -- you don't move much at all with your foot off the brake, but then touch the gas and it seems that you get too much. Engine noise is relatively quiet, but a bit harsh sounding. |
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Replying to: dantz (Aug 17, 2008 3:16 pm) If the car won't respond well to the wheel, then the brakes are useless too and take away available traction that might help have your steering ability. |
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