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Jaguar - Denso Navigation System Problems - UPDATE by bdimond
Dec 04, 2008 (2:34 pm)
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Well so far not much happening with this. Sorry I haven't responded to the forum inquiries.
 
So far, I can tell that the climate control unit goes into a default mode (air on when hot outside heater on when cold outside) vented out the defrost ports, so it has been usable. From a system standpoint I an relatively certain my trunk unit problem lies in the DVD-ROM drive. But I am not sure how to address the issue.
 
I am opting to throw away this system, and replace it with a double din 7" navigation stereo that has AM/FM/DVD/SD/MP3 capabilities coupled with a dedicated digital climate control panel (you have to use a digital one).
 
I have installed the panel this past weekend, by mounting it in the navigation system frame and connecting the two cables from the ACU, located in the passenger's footwell area. I get heartbeat it displays outside and thrermostat setting temperatures. The blower unit can be controlled, and I can turn from all heat to all air. Unfortunately I cannot change the heat output (its either hottest or coldest depending on temperature setting), nor can I enable the rear defroster, or change where the air blows (although the LCD indicates what I select). I will continue to work the problem in my spare time then post with a resolution.
 
In the interim if anyone has questions, please put an email address in the post so when it is forwarded I may contact you directly.
 
Bob Dimond
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Re: Jaguar - Denso Navigation System Problems [brokedownkitty] by kmw70
Dec 04, 2008 (2:41 pm)
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Replying to: brokedownkitty (Dec 04, 2008 10:00 am)

Hi, I took mine to the dealer and they said they plugged in a Navigation Module and it worked fine. The cost - $4400. I can't pay that, not worth it. So I have been online searching salvage yards for the last 3 months or so. I found one (that was the right one) and they wanted $895 for it. So I said OK. Well, after a week and a half, no Module. I called them up and they said the one they have has a broken screen. I had other yards say they have it for $650, however I would ask for a picture to insure I am getting the right part and they come back and tell me it isn't the Module with the Nav in it.
 
Did the Dealer tell you that it is the unit in the truck? The Dealer didn't say (Navigation Control Module) but I assumed it was the unit in the dash. However, I have no power at the unit in the truck. Now I am second guessing.
 
I agree, if I only could get the climate control to work I would be happy. I will keep you posted on any new development.
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Re: Jaguar - Denso Navigation System Problems [kmw70] by brokedownkitty
Dec 05, 2008 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: kmw70 (Dec 04, 2008 2:41 pm)

Yes, the controle module is in the trunk- the part that holds the DVD drive is what controls. This was told to me by a service tech- reliable, unsure?- I did not have them look at it, I just called in and tried to get information.
I too researched salvage parts, I have found Ebay sometimes works- right now (which sparked my most recent searches) there is a nav module and screen set up for $1400 on Ebay for the x type... It may be an option. $1400 is a lot of cash though when the car values are plummitting.
How much was the third party system in previous post? That seems like an alternative.
It's hard to put money in. We hardly ever drive the it, we have another primary vehicle (a nissan- I highly recommend =)) and myhusband has a company car. I'd like to unload, but no one will buy for reasonable price. I'm not sure what to do...
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Re: Jaguar - Denso Navigation System Problems - UPDATE [bdimond] by pat HOST
Dec 05, 2008 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: bdimond (Dec 04, 2008 2:34 pm)

Actually, we recommend that people not post their email addresses to avoid exposing themselves to those with malicious intent (see note above the post box). Email addresses may be made public in profiles so that registered, logged-in users may see them, though.
 
Or better yet, further conversation could be had right here where lots of people will benefit now and in the future.
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Re: Jaguar - Denso Navigation System Problems - UPDATE [pat] by bdimond
Dec 05, 2008 (1:43 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Dec 05, 2008 7:17 am)

I'm only asking so only so I can answer questions more expediently as I don't always log onto this group. The choice to do so (and risk associated with the choice) is theirs.
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Re: Jaguar - Denso Navigation System Problems - UPDATE [bdimond] by pat HOST
Dec 08, 2008 (5:37 am)
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Replying to: bdimond (Dec 05, 2008 1:43 pm)

Understood - some don't realize the risk, so that's why I suggested a couple of better alternatives.
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Jaguar - Denso Navigation System Problems - FINAL UPDATE by bdimond
Dec 23, 2008 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: bdimond (Dec 04, 2008 2:34 pm)

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR'S FINAL UPDATE
 
My Navigation Control Unit was trashed. A new replacement was at a ridiculous price, with used units on Ebay very hard to find and still expensive. After reviewing wiring diagrams, I had replaced the all in one control screed with a dedicated digital climate control panel and hooked the two wiring harnesses from the remote Air Conditioning Control Module) (A/CCM), which is located in the front passengers (US) foot well, and connected then to the climate control panel which has a built in A/CCM.
 
I was able to get the blower output working but not the rear defrost, air temperature output, or air location output to change. I called the a Jaguar dealer in Columbus Ohio and told them what I had done, and asked for help and all they said is you can't retrofit a standard digital climate control panel in a car that has factory navigation, the wiring is different.
 
WRONG!
 
The solution to this problem was a different digital Climate control panel. The Climate control panel I had was for the electrically heated windscreen and was not compatible with my car. With the other unit (Used $50.00 US) I now have all climate functions!!!
 
In addition I did find a cheap Navigation Control Unit so I have the factory system working right now. But still looking to replace it when the weather improves.
 
So to recap: If you're looking to replace your factory all-in-one system, don't seek the advice of some ill informed dealer crony who doesn't know crap.
 
You CAN replace the all-in-one unit with just an after-market radio, wiring harness (for the radio), bezel and of course the RIGHT climate control unit which simply utilizes the two wiring harnesses that go into that go into the remote A/CCM located down by the passengers (US) foot well.
 
So instead of paying $4400 for a new unit, you can buy a NEW 7" double-din (GPS, Radio, DVD, MP3) player, a wiring harness from the jag to the radio (or you can just cut the jag plug off and wire in the radio harness directly) an x-type double-din bezel plate (to make it look like a factory install), and a used DIGITAL climate control panel.
 
The cost:
 
About $500 and you INCREASE the functionality over the factory GPS with DVD, MP3, and possible inputs for a backup camera. In addition the maps are more recent and more readily upgradeable.
 
And if you live need help, I'm an email away. And if you live in the Cleveland Ohio area drive to Lakewood and I'll even help you in person.
 
Merry Christmas!!!
 
Bob Dimond
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Thank you by brokedownkitty
Dec 23, 2008 (9:30 am)
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I will have to try doing it this way... Thank you for posting this information. I am in Columbus, OH, so I may take you up on that!
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Re: Jaguar - Denso Navigation System Problems - FINAL UPDATE [bdimond] by ray699
Jan 02, 2009 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: bdimond (Dec 23, 2008 9:11 am)

Any chance you can give some info on what you specifically purchased and source? I have a 2004 x-type 3.0 with factory nav that I would like to upgrade. I do have an electronics background but am concerned about messing up the dash.
 
Thanks!
Ray
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Re: Jaguar - Denso Navigation System Problems - FINAL UPDATE [ray699] by brokedownkitty
Jan 02, 2009 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: ray699 (Jan 02, 2009 2:27 pm)

I'd like to know the specifics also! We can't get through the winter with a baby and no reliable heat source! We also can't afford to unload the car either... If we could have more information about the climate controls, and then the after market nav system and the factory install "type" panels I think we know enough people to get the job done.
Thanks again to all the bloggers who post their problems to help everyone out.

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