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The End of Leasing? And do you care?

95 messages,  Last post on Sep 03, 2008 at 4:58 PM

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Re: with real values dropping... [explorerx4] by qbrozen
Aug 01, 2008 (6:38 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jul 31, 2008 3:08 pm)

you got a letter telling you what they got at auction for it? That's odd, no?
 
I'd like to know what Chrysler got for our Pac, but I'm pretty damned sure they ain't gonna inform me. Same for the Accord I just turned in.
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Re: [Mr_Shiftright] by hudsonthedog
Aug 01, 2008 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 30, 2008 9:22 am)

If you lease a first year model car that turns out to be a DOG of a car, that is bad enough to disappoint you but not bad enough to quality under Lemon Law, you get to dump it at the end of 36 months if you can't turn it in under a lemon law. If you had owned it, perhaps it would have such a bad reputation after 36 months, you couldn't give it away and would have to sell at a huge loss. Who wants to buy Consumer Reports' "Worst Car"?
 
So your scenario expects the buyer to get a bad car. I sure hope people aren't leasing cars with that expectation.
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Re: [hudsonthedog] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 01, 2008 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: hudsonthedog (Aug 01, 2008 7:36 am)

Nobody knows how a First Year Model will behave, right?
 
Saw a show with Suze Orman.
 
Man, did she ever get down on some woman who thought leasing was a good idea.
 
(quote) "Leasing a car is the stupidest thing you will ever do in your life"
 
woman: "But I like to have a new car every 3 years"
 
Suze: "Why? So you can impress the stranger next to you at the stoplight?"
 
She was NOT being nice!
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Chrysler replaces leasing with... by kcram HOST
Aug 01, 2008 (9:41 am)
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...the "Shop 'Til You Drive" sales promotion. These aggressive incentives include:
 
- up to 40% off MSRP on Dodge Ram and the larger SUVs
- 0% APR for 72 months (Tier A) and 0% for 60 months (Tier B)
- $2000 cash from Chrysler Financial
- waiving of the lease disposal fee (up to $425)
- additional Lease Loyalty cash for those ending a Chrysler Financial lease (up to $750)
- up to $2000 for those who lease with an independent financier
 
Chrysler press release
 
kcram - Pickups Host
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Re: No More GM Canada Lease [kcram] by stmss
Aug 01, 2008 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: kcram (Jul 30, 2008 8:45 pm)

Not quite. GMAC will no longer offer subsidized leases in Canada. Meaning, they will no longer inflate the residual in order to make the payments lower.
 
Thats not what I am getting from the dealers. Effective today they are offering no leases on a new Saab (subsidized or otherwise). They have put in big MSRP discounts in its place and low rate purchase financing to bring payments more in line with a lease but over much longer term. Maybe just the salesmen trying to get a sale - but have been dealing with a couple of dealers and same story.
 
As far as subsidized leases go. What is considered subsidized? 50% residual after 3 yrs? I don't know if they ever specifically inflated the residuals here. They inflated the MSRP (compared to US prices) which I guess in turn inflates the residual. Now with the dollar on par they are stuck.
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Re: Chrysler replaces leasing with... [kcram] by ponytrekker
Aug 01, 2008 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: kcram (Aug 01, 2008 9:41 am)

The manufacturers' movement away from leasing and toward purchasing is an attempt to shift lower than predicted used car values from the manufacturer to the consumer.
 
In 3 years if your car turns out to be a POS that you can't get rid of you take the hit in trading it in for a dime.
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Re: No More GM Canada Lease [stmss] by corvette
Aug 02, 2008 (3:04 pm)
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Replying to: stmss (Aug 01, 2008 11:13 am)

I completely forgot about Saab. They always had some sort of lease special going on--sometimes the deal was merely fair, other times it seemed heavily subsidized. If there are no more Saab leases, it could mean the end of the brand. Given their low resale and reputation for poor quality, I can't imagine many people would want to buy one outright.
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No more leases by elroy5
Aug 02, 2008 (9:29 pm)
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I think Chrysler sees the residual values going down, especially on the big cars and trucks they're known for. Chrysler is going to have trouble selling new cars/trucks for the next three years . So they don't want the used ones coming back and adding to the horror (too many cars/trucks, and not enough customers). The way things are going at Chrysler these days, they might not be around, when the leases are up.
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Re: Chrysler replaces leasing with... [ponytrekker] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 03, 2008 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: ponytrekker (Aug 01, 2008 12:50 pm)

The leasing debacle reminds me of the sub prime debacle. Two sides of the same coin. Easy credit for people who wish to live beyond their means.
 
The "claim" is that leasors have stricter credit requirements for leasees vs. buyers, but I wonder if in practice this was the case in the past?
 
Does anyone know if the default rate on leases has increased at all?
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Re: [Mr_Shiftright] by bryan
Aug 04, 2008 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 01, 2008 8:19 am)

Sometimes it's just not possible to be "nice" while being honest. Good for Suze; while I am sometimes put off at her "over the top" persona, I find myself usually agreeing with her message. This time I must say, she is "Spot on!"

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