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Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Ford Flex Lease Questions
123 messages, Last post on Oct 06, 2009 at 11:32 AM
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Replying to: Car_man (Apr 22, 2009 2:43 am) 
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Hi, I got quotes from two dealers, for a Flex Limited FWD 15000miles a year for 36 months. One using Ford Credit and one USBank. Can you tell me what the residuals and rates are for either of these credit sources? Also the US Bank lease paperwork seems to have a $6000 rebate worked in (Ford offered me a $500 rebate) as well as "Capped Fees" of $970. Not sure where these are coming from. My memory also tells me that US Bank has end of lease fees, and my guess is that it would be easier to get out of a Ford lease early if I needed/wanted to. Can you shed any light? Thanks.
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Replying to: Car_man (Apr 22, 2009 2:47 am)
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Replying to: yolanda4510 (Apr 22, 2009 6:25 am) US Bank has terrible money factors and residuals but so does Ford in most areas. One guy said his lease rate was 10% vs some areas that were at 0.75% through Ford. On my quote, US Bank lease rate was 7.1% which is really high for a lease. Ford Residual was around 45% and US Bank was only 40%. In summary, BUY THE FLEX. Don't lease it right now. You can easily buy a $35K Flex Limited for around $26,000 after all the rebates. Put the $2500 towards your sales tax and plates. You could get a 72 month loan at $26,000, 6% for a monthly payment of $430.90. 60 Month would be $502.65. Don't lease. Also you can claim all that sales tax on your 2009 Income Tax Return. Probably net you another $500 plus. PS: Pilot is the same way. Way smarter to buy it than lease it. If you're gonna lease a vehicle MSRP of over $30K the residual better be over 50% and the money factor needs to be less than 5%. |
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Hi: I am considering purchasing or leasing a 2009 SEL FLEX and can't make a decision. I can lease a 37,780 List Flex for $495.00 per month for 12,000 miles per year for 39 months or purchase a Flex with -0- % for $605.00 per month for 60 months. Total out of pocket is $1750.00 and selling price is $35,400.00. Is either a fair deal? Any ideas? Thanks, JON
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Replying to: vandyman4 (May 02, 2009 8:34 pm) Are the numbers you posted yours? Or are they a dealer quote? Also, they seem to be mixed between lease and buy. If the numbers are from a dealer, they look a bit high. Here are the numbers you need to post to make sure everything adds up: ON A LEASE MSRP Negotiated Price Money Factor (Interest Rate) Term (How many months) Residual ON A PURCHASE MSRP Negotiated Price Interest Rate Term (How many months) Down Payment (if any) I was on the same boat you are. And, after doing numbers up and down it turned out that leasing was not an option. If you see my post asking Car_Man for lease rates, you'll see he answered that Ford may not be leasing in my area. When I went to get my car, I found out that Ford is leasing (and others are too) but the lease rates are terrible. So, in my case, it made a lot more sense to buy. By the way, there is another post (a few posts up) from someone talking about financing for 72 months. That might be a good option. That extra year and the $1,750 out of pocket you were planning to pay on a lease might be enought to get you to your calculated lease payment. Here are a few other things to consider: - If you get the 0% financing, Ford Motor Credit will require you to carry gap insurance. When everything is said and done, this is not a good option. You are better off taking the $3,000 rebate. - Ford Motor Credit is offering a $1,000 rebate. It's useless. FMC's finance rates are terrible. If you have good credit, you are better off financing through a bank or credit union at around 5% for 72 months. - Dealers are DESPERATE. You should not pay (before any rebates) a penny more than invoice. Many dealers are even willing to sell cars for holdback (an additional profit built into invoice price) just to move cars. Click here for the 2009 Flex dealer price list. It will help you add the base cost and options on the car you want. That way you will know if there is more room for negotiating. Good luck!
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Replying to: baxterdown (May 03, 2009 4:05 am) It turned out that Ford was leasing in South Florida but rates were a joke. So, I ended up buying the car. Also, FMC's finance rates are terrible. so the $1,000 rebate from them is useless. Thanks again sir. You're d-man!!! 
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Replying to: baxterdown (May 03, 2009 4:05 am) It's all very confusing. I have been leasing and buying Saab's and Caddy's for the last 15 years and always knew if I was getting a good deal. Now I am afraid to make a decision. Here are the details of the dealer quote: ON A LEASE MSRP 37,780.00 Negotiated Price 35,458.00 Money Factor (Interest Rate).5 Term (How many months) 39 Residual .46 Rebate $750.00 given after negotiated price as additional money down $1000.00 total out pocket 497.45 per month ON A PURCHASE MSRP 37, 780.00 Negotiated Price 35,458.00 Interest Rate 0 Term (How many months) 60 Down Payment (if any) 1000.00 total out of pocket Rebate $750.00 given will be an addional down payment 605.70 per month What should I be paying for this car? Also, what is GAP insurance? I never had to pay this before. Right now I am leasing a Caddy STS4 for $479,00 per month which seems to be a better deal than the Flex. Should I work on a dealer for a limited model? I just need AWD, 40/40 captain's seats and the sun roof. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, JON |
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Replying to: Car_man (Apr 22, 2009 2:47 am) I'm in SoCal & looking at an SE with a white roof, sync & 6 cd. MSRP is listed as $30,545.00. I've 2 dealers telling me at invoice for a 36 mo lease 12,000 miles & no drive-offs the payment will be $430-448 plus tax. Does this jive with what your rates/invoice records show? I'm wondering if there is more room to bring down the payment a bit more? Thank you I'm so glad to have found this site.
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Hi car_man, read a lot of your comments and I am sure you can help me out here. Was looking into leasing (and lease only, for business) a Flex SEL AWD Here is the offer i got from dealer and I live in NJ, 07960 Retail 33920 w/ extras 39035 (incl. dest fee 700) savings offered 2702 sale price 36333 Net sale w/ all the taxes, doc fee, etc 39700 Said included 1000 lease cash !? down 3500, 12k, 39 months ea. 482 Is this anything decent ? here are my questions: with 3500 down where should the monthly rate be ? lets say 1500 down, how much should the monthly rate be ? Appreciate all the help guys ! Thx
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