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#74 of 211 Re: 2010 Flex Limited AWD Ecoboost [madlock]
Sep 22, 2009 (6:25 pm)
I agree madlock. Of course you come out with a high prices on these vehicles because they are new. Once the supply outpaces the demand, Ford will lower the price in the form of incentives.
I personally think the tactic is... Price these vehicles super high, then offer incentives to what Ford really thinks the car is worth. This way they budget for the "incentive" price and if they get "MSRP" then bonus for them.
#75 of 211 Re: 2010 Flex Limited AWD Ecoboost [jpf]
Sep 23, 2009 (10:12 am)
"This is one Ford vehicle that is hopelessly overpriced. I live in the south and I see so few of these vehciles on the road or at the local Ford dealerships. "
They are pretty popular here in Los Angeles. I see them all the time. These vehicles are capable of moving a lot of people or stuff - the design is very efficient compared to a full size SUV.
Had they been available when I turned in my Freestyle lease a couple of years ago, I might well have bought one myself...
#76 of 211 more details on rebates
Sep 26, 2009 (7:39 pm)
I just drive the Flex and LOVE it. Amazing room and very comfortable seats...not to mention awesome features like ambient lighting, nav with rearview camera, sync,
fridge, and more.
Can someone please post all of the rebates that you can still get on a 2009?
$1500 Bonus Cash
Can someone let me know more details on:
-$1950 X-plan (I assume this just gets you down to close to invoice?)
-$1500 first 3 payments incentive (I plan on putting down $20k so would think I would qualify...is this still going on?)
-$1500 GM Owner cash (I just sold my 2008 Tahoe...would I qualify?)
-$750 buyer certificate (is this still active? details?
From this list of rebates, it looks like I could get around $10k off list. Correct?
So a $40k Limited for $30k.
#77 of 211 Re: more details on rebates [gruson]
Sep 26, 2009 (10:23 pm)
First, rebates an incentives are ENTIRELY dependent upon the zip code where the vehicle will be first registered.
The amount, and even the existence, of certain incentives can vary greatly, as much as 100% from one locale to another.
For GM owner cash, you will need to trade-in a GM vehicle. For a $750 "Buyer Certificate", you must first have obtained one from Ford. And you must qualify for X-Plan to be eligible for the discount which, yes, is usually within 1% of dealer invoice depending upon vehicle, trim, and options. X-Plan is not as much a "discount" as a pre-determined vehicle price that can be expressed in terms of the difference from the sticker price. It will vary from vehicle to vehicle.
Basing upon retail rebates for Texas (all of which are available directly from the Ford web site), the rebates being offered for the 2009 Flex are $3,500 ($4,000 for SEL) OR 0% APR up to 60 months and 1.9% for 72.
If you want to know whether you qualify for any further rebates and incentives, just call or visit your local dealer and ask them to run a Vincent report based upon your information. They can tell you exactly what is available.
#78 of 211 Re: more details on rebates [madlock]
Sep 27, 2009 (9:19 am)
I will try to find out more.
I did discover that the GM rebate I listed above is not for trading in a GM. It is a conquest rebate for owning a GM. You just have to show your title and or registration information to get it.
Going to contact a LOT of dealers all over Texas and surrounding states to find the best price on a 2009.
#79 of 211 Re: more details on rebates [gruson]
Sep 27, 2009 (9:41 am)
There's no need to contact "a lot" of Texas dealers. The same rebates and incentives are in effect throughout the state.
Oct 02, 2009 (8:05 pm)
FYI, going to pull the trigger tomorrow.
2009 Flex Limited - Nav, DVD, Sunroof, fridge, etc.
$31,900 after all rebates (before TTYL and tax writeoff)
It did pay off to contact a lot of dealers too BTW. Some are willing to give you the holdback money and other incentives from the GM or owner.
Oct 05, 2009 (2:17 pm)
I would be a buyer at that number also. I am in NC where the supply seems sparse. I priced 2010's but your numbers on the 2009 Limited are impressive. Well done.
Oct 06, 2009 (5:36 am)
Gruson, here is what I received from local Ford dealer on 2009 Flex. Pardon the grammar, but I hope you can see how far off I am from the price that you have.
"If I had one I couldn’t get close to that ($31,900) now I do see a demo that is close to that price if I owned it the best I could do would be 39565.20 which is the Invoice price. There is only 5000 in rebates so I would be able to do 34565.20 so in order to get to that price of 31900 I would have to lose 2665.20. "
How did you get the $2,665? Teach me
#83 of 211 Re: 2009 Flex limited [barrybuckeye]
Oct 06, 2009 (10:07 pm)
Given that speaking in terms of "invoice" price gives a sense of relativity to the discussion rather than dollars "off sticker", it's a pretty fair assumption that "dealer invoice" price is a reasonable theoretical maximum before any rebates and incentives.
The normal retail consumer rebates and incentives vary WIDELY from state to state. For example, NJ receives some of the lowest, while MI receives some of the highest, and they can vary as much as $2,000-$3,000. Furthermore, there are also "trim level" incentives that provide another $500 to the SEL given the unexpected oversupply resulting from the unexpected favorable response to those with the Limited trim.
In addition to the retail rebates are those that may or may not apply to individual customers. For example, Ford is offering "conquest" rebates in some area to those who are trading-in (and in some areas merely own) a particular competitor's vehicle, and other discounts like those who happen to be recent college graduates, police association or XYZ Club members also exist on an individual basis. Ford also offers a $750 "brochure" discount on certain models to customers who have requested printed marketing materials sent from the Ford (or LM) website.
Ford also offers thier "X-Plan" discount, which is offered to employees of certain business "affiliates", qualified Ford shareholders, and certain other individuals. This is effectively a "flat rate" price at or near dealer invoice. And, from time to time, Ford also adds an additional incentive to X-Plan buyers atop all others.
Beyond that, Ford occasionally (but not usually) offers "marketing support" to dealers in the form of cash incentives that the dealer may, but is not obligated to, share with customers. Any other money "left in the vehicle" for the dealer to share (before taking a "loss") would be the 3% (of sticker) holdback each dealer receives from Ford post-sale.
That doesn't mean that's the limit of a dealer's willingness to negotiate, (although it usually ends WELL before a "net zero" sale). However, some dealers may find themselves with either excess or slow-moving inventory or are in need of cash and are willing to take the proverbial "bird in the hand". In some cases, dealers have purchased inventory at a song from nearby dealers who have liquidated and are willing to simply clear what they can for the quick turn of a cheap buck.
As recommended before, you should ask your sales associate to show you the "Smart Vincent" report that contains ALL of the current incentives you happen to be qualified to receive, including any others that may exist for the particular model and trim you're interested in buying. That will give you a better "apples to apples" idea of any discounts you can obtain regardless of where you ultimately buy your Flex (or any Ford vehicle), and you can then be better prepared to negotiate on the basis of what a particular dealer might be willing to offer in addition.