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CNG vehicles have been around...
by lemko
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Sep 25, 2008 (3:18 pm)
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...for a long time. Heck, I worked in a factory where all the forklift trucks were powered by it or propane. I recall seeing a Checker taxicab that was powered by CNG. I think Philadelphia Gas Works' vans use it.
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- #903 of 2183
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Re: INSIDE LINE today [explorerx4]
by kdhspyder
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Sep 25, 2008 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Sep 25, 2008 2:59 pm)
Yes I see it in the same way.. They've decided that oil is going to be in ultra-short supply soon and bio-fuels are too diverse to gain widespread acceptance so they are putting forth their view of what the future will be.
Thus they are going to investigate CNG as a more abundant fuel which is available in friendlier environments such as the USA and is also cleaner. Japan has a lot of our dollars which I'm sure they'd like to recycle back to us if we tapped our huge reserves of NG.
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Re: INSIDE LINE today [kdhspyder]
by gagrice
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Sep 25, 2008 (4:26 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 25, 2008 4:02 pm)
Palin's AK is sitting on TRILLIONS of cubic feet of Natural Gas. She may share it with the Mid west and NE if elected. 
Filled the wife's LS400 today at Costco. Premium was $3.69. RUG $3.49. ARCO was the same just no 3% discount for using the Costco AMEX card.
Most cabs and buses in San Diego are CNG. Saves money now.
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Re: Wind Power at 16k is not a home option [andre1969]
by dave8697
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Sep 26, 2008 (9:09 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Sep 23, 2008 8:36 am)
I've been suprised by the cooling efficiency. My 9 years newer house, 800 s.f. larger air conditioned space, and located further south and closer to the city so the average summer day is 5 degrees hotter is about the same cost to run in the summer as the old house. My electric doesn't run a well or the hot water heater like in the old house. This year's new house $145 peak summer bill for about 1350 KWhrs suprises me. The 5 degrees warmer climate will help in the winter, when my natural gas bills kick in. No idea what they will run. During the cold times like single digit days, the old house was about $10 a day to heat with electric. The heat pump didn't do much and two 30 amp heat stips kicked in.
Water is the big change. It used to use a few bucks a month for electric to pump it. Now the city charges $85 a month for about 9000 gallons a month at the new house. Never thought of the well as saving nearly my entire work commute worth of gas money. Actually not a bad selling point to have a well now that city water is so expensive.
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Re: Wind Power at 16k is not a home option [dave8697]
by explorerx4
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Sep 27, 2008 (4:03 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Sep 26, 2008 9:09 pm)
i just checked my water bill. we get billed by cubic feet. not sure how that compares to gallons.
we still measure gas in gallons, though. 
i saw gas for 3.599 yesterday.
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- #907 of 2183
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Re: Wind Power at 16k is not a home option [explorerx4]
by andre1969
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Sep 27, 2008 (4:51 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Sep 27, 2008 4:03 am)
I think a cubic foot of water is something like 7.5 gallons?
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Re: Wind Power at 16k is not a home option [explorerx4]
by dieselone
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Sep 27, 2008 (5:39 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Sep 27, 2008 4:03 am)
With city water, it's usually not the water portion that is expensive, but the sewage portion. Our sewage portion of our bill is usually more than the water. Since our sewage rates are high, we have two meters. One, for inside the house that sewage rates apply and a separate meter for our outside spicates. This way I can water the lawn etc w/o getting a $150/mo sewage bill.
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Re: Wind Power at 16k is not a home option [andre1969]
by gagrice
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Sep 27, 2008 (7:31 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Sep 27, 2008 4:51 am)
Very close. If your water company bills by HCF (hundred cubic feet) as ours does. One HCF equals 748 gallons. My two month bill for 29,000 gallons was $130. I water a lot of fruit trees and garden.
My utilities are far more than my gas at $4 per gallon.
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Re: Wind Power at 16k is not a home option [dieselone]
by gagrice
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Sep 27, 2008 (7:33 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Sep 27, 2008 5:39 am)
And I thought CA utilities were high. Our old house sewer bill is $81 for 2 months. Based on water usage. We did not have separate meters for watering.
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Re: Wind Power at 16k is not a home option [gagrice]
by dieselone
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Sep 27, 2008 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 27, 2008 7:33 am)
Our old house sewer bill is $81 for 2 months.
Our water bill is usually around $70/mo including sewage (depending on how much I watered the lawn). My parents live in northern Indiana and the get sacked with a $75/mo fixed sewage fee. Ouch!
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