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Re: here we go again? [gagrice] by nippononly
Sep 24, 2008 (7:45 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 24, 2008 4:47 pm)

Gagrice, this might be a good time to ask the obvious question again: why is it that you still LIVE in California?!
 
Do you feel that all state governments are equally bad, so why not live near the ocean?
 
I am for any law that protects and encourages investment in alt power generation, especially solar which has had such a hard time getting off the ground (so to speak! ). And for the record I think you have to agree that the shade from the trees might save the shaded homeowner 10% of his/her daily cooling costs, but the solar array can provide ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of that homeowner's electricity, day in and day out. Much bigger savings preserving the operation of the solar array.
 
There's news today that Toyota will show a natural gas powered hybrid at the LA show this fall. How do these CNG-powered cars get their gas? Is there a way to get it from your house supply, or is it only from special refueling stations? I would think that being a regular hybrid the thing would have a large range, 500 miles or more, and would be a great way to save half of one's gasoline costs.
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Re: In tribute to all those fine Wall Streeters... [duke23] by gagrice
Sep 24, 2008 (8:24 pm)
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Replying to: duke23 (Sep 24, 2008 6:13 pm)

good to be Jimmy Buffet. pop top and lost shaker of salt.
 
I'd rather be Jimmy Buffett. More fun and $50 million a year ain't bad for a guy that had his last big hit 35 years ago.
 
You know that Warren is his Uncle?
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Re: In tribute to all those fine Wall Streeters... [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Sep 24, 2008 (8:32 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 24, 2008 8:24 pm)

Are Warren and Jimmy Buffett Related?. The DNA says no.
 
In the news, U.S. gasoline inventories lowest since 1967.
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Re: here we go again? [nippononly] by gagrice
Sep 24, 2008 (8:40 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Sep 24, 2008 7:45 pm)

I love the weather where I live. I left CA for Alaska in 1970 because it was getting too crowded for me. I have followed the politics and think overall they stink. Too much control by too few people.
 
Solar still has a ways to go. It has applications. If it was subsidized at a reasonable percentage for home owners I would consider. I have a large roof area that faces South. Though my neighbor has huge pine trees. Not sure how they would affect solar. The last thing I would consider is suing a neighbor under any circumstances. I think that is a big part of what is wrong with America.
 
CNG can be produced at home with PHILL. I believe that Honda just sold their interest in FuelMaker the company that MFG PHILL. Your Natural Gas service has to be able to handle the heavier demand. It takes about 6 hours to fill a Civic GX with a home unit like PHILL. The Current GX is selling for about $26k. Kind of expensive for a Civic. Maximum range is about 280 miles. I think that it is still a commuter only vehicle. You can get a lot of used CNG Crown Vics at State auctions. A friend buys them all the time for his parking lot cleaning service.
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Re: In tribute to all those fine Wall Streeters... [steve_] by gagrice
Sep 24, 2008 (8:43 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Sep 24, 2008 8:32 pm)

Ain't that a bummer, both items.
 
Better get those gulf refineries up and running. Could be intentional, nah.....
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Re: In tribute to all those fine Wall Streeters... [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Sep 24, 2008 (8:44 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 24, 2008 8:43 pm)

Maybe maintenance? Seems like a lot of them usually shut down in the fall for repair and to change over to cracking winter gas.
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Re: here we go again? [andre1969] by mattandi
Sep 24, 2008 (8:51 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Sep 24, 2008 3:45 pm)

Apparently this odd law does not concern itself with which came first, at least not so much. It is keyed to conditions at the time of the installation of the solar panels. In this case, all of the trees preexisted the installation, but the trees were not tall enough to cast shade on the panels when they were installed. Subsequently the trees grew tall enough to shade the panels. That is specifically the situation this law addresses. If the trees had been taller at the time of installation, the owner of the solar panels would have had no cause for complaint.
 
I'm guessing these neighbors will not be inviting each other to their Christmas parties.
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Re: here we go again? [gagrice] by nippononly
Sep 25, 2008 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 24, 2008 8:40 pm)

You must love that California yesterday entered into an agreement with the Western Climate Initiative, an emissions cap and trade system that includes all the western coastal states and four provinces in Canada....eh?!
 
One of the early designers of the WCI was, yep you guessed it, your good buds at CARB.
 
Beginning in 2012, they will include automotive fuel emissions in the system. Until then, it is just power generators and large emitters like that.
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Re: here we go again? [nippononly] by steve_ HOST
Sep 25, 2008 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Sep 25, 2008 7:17 am)

England has had a right to light law for almost 200 years, for different reasons. wiki. If solar ever does catch on big time, I could see state legislation happening along those lines.
 
I guess the devil is in the details, but carbon cap and trade should result in lower emissions across the board. The emissions standards will continue to tighten, so companies that sit back and spend money on credits instead of reducing their emissions will find it increasingly expensive to do so.
 
RUG has fallen to an average of $3.73 here, which is a penny below the national average (unless that's changed already). Usually we're a dime or more higher in Idaho, so I'm enjoying it while I can.
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Re: here we go again? [steve_] by nortsr1
Sep 25, 2008 (11:52 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Sep 25, 2008 7:53 am)

Pitman, NJ RUG $3.29

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