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Replying to: kernick (Sep 24, 2008 9:18 am) I think the evidence disputes that thought. It's not merely "lower income people" who are driving 11 billion fewer miles each month. It's people from MOST economic levels, possibly excepting the very very rich. ( Although P Diddy recently said he's not flying his private plane nearly as often these days, since it was costing him about $200K per flight. ) Maybe ALL income levels have felt the effect. Regardless, it's good that we are moving away from gasoline excesses. We have enough excess consumption in this country, so anything that reduces our excess is a good thing in most people's views. |
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Sep 24, 2008 9:29 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 24, 2008 9:40 am) There was a case in CA recently where a neighbor had a tree blocking another neighbor's solar panel, and the solar panel guy won the case. Tree had to be cut so it would not block the panels. I think your "solar enemies" opinion for CA is flawed. I think there are FAR more people pushing solar than there are anti-solar agendas. I can look it up and post proof if you want, but that is my "shoot-from-the-hip" quickie opinion. P.S. Found something. Looks like the "localized opposition" is just upset that they might be putting large solar arrays out on open desert land. The don't oppose solar power - they just prefer it to be "rooftop" installations and not to be just taking up space in the open desert. NY Times story Terry Frewin, the chairman of the Sierra Club’s California/Nevada desert committee, wrote to the club’s executive director, Carl Pope, in July, criticizing him for backing large-scale solar projects. “Remote solar arrays destroy all native resources on site, and have indirect and irreversible impacts on surrounding wildernesses,” Mr. Frewin wrote. He urged the Sierra Club to embrace distributed generation as an alternative to the “industrial renewable” option. |
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 24, 2008 9:46 am) Just out of curiosity, what was there first? The tree or the solar panel? I could see if the solar panel had been there for ages and the neighbors planted a fast-growing tree that blocked it. But if the tree was there first, I say tough ta-ta's. Back in the 80's, the neighbors behind us got satellite tv. Unfortunately, the trees in our back yard, established old Poplar trees that were probably 80 feet tall, were blocking the signal, so they had someone cut them down...without our permission! That little stunt cost them about $4,000, as I recall. |
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Replying to: andre1969 (Sep 24, 2008 9:56 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 24, 2008 9:46 am) |
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Replying to: grbeck (Sep 24, 2008 11:38 am) Redwood = Bad / Solar Panels = Good SUNNYVALE, Calif. — Call it an eco-parable: one Prius-driving couple takes pride in their eight redwoods, the first of them planted over a decade ago. Their electric-car-driving neighbors take pride in their rooftop solar panels, installed five years after the first trees were planted. Trees — redwoods, live oaks or blossoming fruit trees — are usually considered sturdy citizens of the sun-swept peninsula south of San Francisco, not criminal elements. But under a 1978 state law protecting homeowners’ investment in rooftop solar panels, trees that impede solar panels’ access to the sun can be deemed a nuisance and their owners fined up to $1,000 a day. The Solar Shade Act was a curiosity until late last year, when a dispute over the eight redwoods(a k a Tree No. 1, Tree No. 2, Tree No. 3, etc.) ended up in Santa Clara County criminal court. The couple who planted the trees, Carolynn Bissett and Richard Treanor, were convicted of violating the law, based on the complaint of their neighbor, Mark Vargas, and were ordered to make sure that no more than 10 percent of the solar panels are shaded. A few weeks after The San Jose Mercury News wrote about the situation, the first act ended with the couple pruning 10 feet to 15 feet of Tree No. 6’s upper branches. The event drew more cameras than an episode of “Extreme Home Makeover.” |
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Replying to: duke23 (Sep 23, 2008 7:07 pm) $4.50 or more as per the RUG national average fuel price as per the EIA data published weeky here...EIA US Retail Gasoline prices - Regular by July 4, 2009 ( I will be 60 on that date ). If the economy tanks and we are revisiting the Great Depression you will understand if my donation is a little late  .
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 24, 2008 9:46 am) Fat Knowledge Berkeley approves program to loan money to residents for solar systems |
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Replying to: andre1969 (Sep 24, 2008 9:56 am) Regardless of all that fuel prices have impacted my wife and I but only regarding what vehicles we own. But we changed up our vehicle program back in 2003. I reduced my weekly use from 20gallons to 6 gallons by getting a Scooter and riding that about 80% of the time to work. We did end up buying an old SUV in late 2003 given our smaller car was not capable of hauling our sail boat and camping gear. The SUV is a 1994 Toyota and only gets driven when its full of people or lots of stuff. Both our cars get 25mpg - next cars will be the highest milege vehicles we can buy but will not be hybrids. The new Jetta TDI is high on the list though we are waiting as long as we can to see what other diesel vehicles arrive on US shores. Our driving habits haven't changed but our vehicles have and will continue to change.
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