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Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [mattandi] by gagrice
Sep 10, 2008 (6:25 pm)
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Replying to: mattandi (Sep 10, 2008 3:29 pm)

WOW, and some here would say that kind of thing never happens to agencies of the Federal Government. I think we are just scraping the tip of the iceberg.
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Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [gagrice] by mattandi
Sep 11, 2008 (5:33 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 10, 2008 6:25 pm)

It is pretty brazen, huh? Sounds like quite a party that has been broken up. I suppose this particular agency is pretty low on the totem pole, but the level of corruption is astonishing. There should be some active prison sentences coming out of this, not just a few firings and banishment from the agency, but we'll see.
 
There is a lot of mud to go around in this. The implicated government employees, provided the allegations are accurate as they appear to be, were clearly in the wrong here. As you point out, many do have some difficulty believing public servants are capable of such behavior. Likewise many will be inclined to give the oil companies a pass on this as well. A little grease here or there is just part of the cost of doing business, right? The parties, gifts, drugs, and trips show up somewhere as business expenses. Not sure how the sex appears on the balance sheet though. The quotes from the two congressmen are quite interesting.
 
My favorite quote in the article: "Sexual relationships with prohibited sources cannot, by definition, be arms-length,"
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Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [mattandi] by lemmer
Sep 11, 2008 (5:49 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Sep 11, 2008 5:33 am)

Anything they pay is deductible as "meals and entertainment."
 
Even bribes are deductible as business expenses for tax purposes. The flip side is that if you list bribes on your tax return or SEC filings, other government law enforcement agencies might want to speak with you about it.
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Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [lemmer] by gagrice
Sep 11, 2008 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Sep 11, 2008 5:49 am)

Anything they pay is deductible as "meals and entertainment."
 
On any given weekend in San Diego there are several conventions with the associated parties going on. They are paid for by some corporation. I know the ones I went to tied to the Cellular business always had Federal people in attendance from the FCC and who knows what else. Whatever the cost it is a tax deduction. Now multiply that times all the cities in the USA that cater to conventions. Billions are spent wining and dining people that can do those corporations some good. It sounds like the Minerals people know how to get the best parties going.
 
If they ever cut off that tax loophole most of the convention centers in the US would go broke.
 
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I bet none of those convention goers worry about $4 gas. It is all a write-off.
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Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [gagrice] by lemmer
Sep 11, 2008 (1:46 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 11, 2008 11:25 am)

What makes you think it is a loophole? Conventions are legitimate business expenses, and so is the $4 gas to get there.
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Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [lemmer] by gagrice
Sep 11, 2008 (1:57 pm)
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Replying to: lemmer (Sep 11, 2008 1:46 pm)

Conventions are legitimate business expenses
 
No problem until they become Sex orgies, drinking and drug laced events to seduce legislation from Federal employees. As was the case posted that started this discussion.
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Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Sep 11, 2008 (6:06 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 11, 2008 1:57 pm)

My wife got to go to a DOE conference one time in DC. They put everyone up at the Ritz-Carlton/Pentagon City. I tagged along but was irritated that they wanted people to wear coats and ties in the lobby. Sheesh. Most of that stuff could have been handled with some video conferencing. I'd hate to see the price tag for a full blown convention.
 
Now ... does anyone have any comments about how the price of gas is affecting you? Even if it's dropped a good bit below $4 in lots of places around the country?
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Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [steve_] by dieselone
Sep 11, 2008 (6:11 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Sep 11, 2008 6:06 pm)

Now ... does anyone have any comments about how the price of gas is affecting you? Even if it's dropped a good bit below $4 in lots of places around the country?
 
Filled the Expedition up today for $3.67. Yeah, I'd like to see them lower, but it doesn't affect me either. Last tank lasted two weeks.
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Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [dieselone] by lemmer
Sep 12, 2008 (5:38 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Sep 11, 2008 6:11 pm)

My normally intelligent coworker was telling us that we needed to leave the office and go buy gas now. Because of Hurricane Ike, the price should hit $5 sometime this morning. It is at $3.59 right now.
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Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [lemmer] by nippononly
Sep 12, 2008 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Sep 12, 2008 5:38 am)

LOL!
 
I guess Exxon and Valero shut down operations to ride out the storm, which impacted gas prices along the Texas coast nearby. I am not expecting prices to jump near me unless a significant portion of oil production is put out of commission by Ike.

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