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Re: my local gas [nippononly] by gagrice
Feb 11, 2009 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 11, 2009 4:30 pm)

Ditto plug-in hybrid conversion houses.
 
Only a mental midget or ubber wealthy person would spend $10K to $30k to make a plug-in hybrid from a Prius that is still under warranty. Especially in the light of one bursting into flames. I cannot imagine an insurance company covering the car after you kludge it all up.
 
The Cooperative Research Network (CRN) reports that a Toyota Prius PHEV owned by Central Electric Power Cooperative (CEPC) and retrofitted with a Hybrids-Plus PHEV15 conversion kit exploded on June 7.
 
http://www.dailytech.com/Retrofitted+Plugin+Prius+Burns+to+a+Crisp+CRN+Garages+F- leet/article12132.htm
 
Li-Ion batteries have many years of testing before I would get into a car load of them. I don't care if gas is $20 per gallon.
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Re: my local gas [nippononly] by oldfarmer50
Feb 13, 2009 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 11, 2009 4:30 pm)

"...And probably be willing to spend a bit more..."
 
And if some of us don't have "a bit more"? I guess we'll just put our thumbs out and you rich guys will give us a lift.
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Re: my local gas [oldfarmer50] by nippononly
Feb 13, 2009 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Feb 13, 2009 7:26 am)

I was thinking of maybe 10% more, and since modern cars last more than 10% longer than their counterparts of 20 years ago, you are in luck! You will be keeping your old car longer anyway, which gives you more time to save for your new one.
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Re: my local gas [nippononly] by boaz47
Feb 13, 2009 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 13, 2009 7:59 am)

Nip, I like you my friend but salesmen must get in a fist fight to serve you when you walk in. In my case they have to fight for every nickel. Tell me I can get a car 10 percent cheeper and I can make it last just as long as your more expensive car.
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Re: my local gas [boaz47] by nippononly
Feb 13, 2009 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Feb 13, 2009 8:39 am)

Well my original response was to gagrice's specific question concerning ways in which we might influence our future. Certainly he seems ready to lay down 10-20% more up-front money to purchase a car with a really efficient diesel, to save fuel costs and coincidentally use less of the stuff and gain low-end torque.
 
If you are NOT committed to forcing the automakers to change their product offerings for this goal, then certainly it is your prerogative to buy the cheapest thing available that meets your needs, regardless of fuel economy. The goal of reducing oil consumption was the basis of the exchange between gagrice and I, however.
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Re: my local gas [nippononly] by andre1969
Feb 13, 2009 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 13, 2009 7:59 am)

and since modern cars last more than 10% longer than their counterparts of 20 years ago, you are in luck! You will be keeping your old car longer anyway, which gives you more time to save for your new one.
 
Well one of my cars is 52 years old now, so I guess that means that anything new I might buy will probably outlive me!
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Re: my local gas [nippononly] by kernick
Feb 13, 2009 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 13, 2009 9:15 am)

The goal of reducing oil consumption was the basis of the exchange between gagrice and I, however.
 
Oil consumption is a global issue, not a U.S. one to solve, or that can be solved. People in China who are now buying more cars than people in the U.S. are economically forced to drive the cheapest technology, then no oil consumption reduction would be made. Sure you can reduce oil consumption in the U.S. but overall nothing will be achieved.
 
Global issues can not be solved by any single country.
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Re: my local gas [kernick] by nippononly
Feb 13, 2009 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Feb 13, 2009 10:16 am)

We were talking about pressuring automakers to produce more fuel-efficient vehicles, and certainly given the stature of the U.S. as the second-biggest market in the world for cars, we can exert some influence there if we make a concerted effort.
 
BTW, call me a pie-eyed idealist if you like, but I find it disheartening when someone refers to a global issue as "unsolvable". No problem is unsolvable, it is just that some require more cooperation among the peoples of the world than we have thus far demonstrated. That does NOT mean we never will.
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Re: my local gas [andre1969] by explorerx4
Feb 13, 2009 (6:02 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 13, 2009 9:35 am)

could you at least buy something like this so your old car is older than i am?
55 desoto
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Re: my local gas [nippononly] by boaz47
Feb 13, 2009 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 13, 2009 9:15 am)

I am sorry for interrupting your conversation with gagrice.
 
My complaint was with the concept of trying to bribe people who are supposed to be making something we the customer is willing to buy. We the customer should not have to bribe the manufacturer they should make the product we want to spend the money on. When the Japanese came into this market they didn't ask the customer to pay more for their cars than what we were already we buying. It is their job not our to win us over. The minute you allow them to know they can charge more for whatever they offer they will simply stop trying to make one the average consumer can afford. That is how it works and how it should work in a free economy. I am saying that it is the job of the manufacturers not the consumers.
 
My commitment to better air quality is as much as many and more than Al Gore. His house alone has a larger carbon foot print than everything I own. I have cut my driving by 50 to 60 percent without paying GM, Toyota,Nissan or anyone extra for the privalige. If the manufacturers can't provide a solution that will see to the customer and a price the customer wants to pay then they don't deserve our business. we must get away from the mentality of tossing more money at a problem. We need other solutions that just might not include the major auto manufacturers. If the big six through up there hands and say we can't then some smaller company has an opportunity to step in and say they can. I'm not ready to fold my card in and allow the manufacturers more to correct a problem they should have addressed years ago. You may be. But I still like you.

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