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How does gas at $4 and higher impact you?

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Re: for the first time [nippononly] by boaz47
Jan 12, 2009 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 7:12 am)

The thing is the dealers with excess Prius on their lots now are sitting on 2008s. No one will pay sticker for a year old car when the 2009s are already out. And if those 08 don't move before september 2009 they will have to be sold below cost. There will be a loss no matter how gas does in the summer. There is a glut of 2008s of many cars and that will effect either 2009 sales or the profit that the dealers make on left over 2008s. My guess is that 2009 will be worse for new car sales than 2008 even if gas does go up. But the economy had a much larger effect on car sales than fuel prices did. The WSJ did say in an editorial that they felt it was going to be very hard to get people to pay list price for a car or a lamp in 2009.
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Re: for the first time [boaz47] by oldfarmer50
Jan 12, 2009 (4:12 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jan 12, 2009 1:34 pm)

"...it was going to be hard to get people to pay list price for a car or a lamp in 2009..."
 
If the economy keeps going the way it is going people won't be buying bread let alone cars.
 
My BIL works for a manufacturing plant which was sold by GE to a private equity firm (same deal as Chrysler being bought by Cerbrus). They just told him that they are cutting his wages by 40% and making him do the work formerly done by 3 people. His union is fighting it but he doesn't have much hope for a happy ending.
 
There is one person who won't be buying anything soon.
 
I can't see gas going back up to $4 with the economy in the dumper. People were drained of all their reserves this summer. They simply don't have the money.
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Re: for the first time [oldfarmer50] by jimbres
Jan 12, 2009 (4:24 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 12, 2009 4:12 pm)

I can't see gas going back up to $4 with the economy in the dumper. People were drained of all their reserves this summer. They simply don't have the money.
 
Agreed. Most of us will be sticking close to home this summer. I'd be surprised if gas prices in my neck of the woods (downstate NY) hit $2.50/gallon.
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Re: for the first time [jimbres] by kernick
Jan 12, 2009 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Jan 12, 2009 4:24 pm)

Most of us will be sticking close to home this summer.
 
You know gas is till pretty cheap relative to other things, even at $3.00/gal. I mean if you're going on vacation, a decent rental at the beach is at least $1,500 for the week, meals for a day for a family of four are $125(?), and then throw in some ice cream and mini-golf. Gasoline really isn't much of a vacation budget.
 
Plus for anybody who has a newer car, it seems pretty strange to have a vehicle worth $10K, $20K, or $30K sitting out in the driveway and then saying you can't afford the $50 to fill it up. You might as well buy an Armani suit and then sit in your house and watch wrestling in it.
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Re: for the first time [boaz47] by gagrice
Jan 12, 2009 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jan 12, 2009 1:34 pm)

The dealer I reported on here in SD has all 2009 Prius. I think the Gen 3 will be 2010 model. Not sure when they will come out. It does look like Mossy is moving cars. They had 106 Prius last week and only 98 a few minutes ago. Maybe the looser credit has gotten cars moving again.
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Re: for the first time [kernick] by berri
Jan 12, 2009 (6:18 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 12, 2009 5:08 pm)

I agree it may take longer than this year for $4 gas, but its coming back and may go higher. $40 oil doesn't make it feasible to get a lot of the newer oil finds out of the ground. Also, the developing countries will get out of the recession and resume expanding demand. In a few years it may be as much a supply problem as one of price. Having said that though, I agree people should buy what they like and use it. You are right that $4 gas is still a relatively small part of a family vacation. Hotels, attraction admissions and food are the killers.
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Re: for the first time [berri] by explorerx4
Jan 12, 2009 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Jan 12, 2009 6:18 pm)

why should anyone believe your future fuel price predictions?
for example, if demand is lower, why explore for more?
there is plenty of existing source.
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Re: for the first time [explorerx4] by berri
Jan 12, 2009 (7:32 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 12, 2009 6:51 pm)

Let's talk in a couple of years. Every time there is a price spike people say its a one time thing, but it never is and it always ends up higher. I'm basing my predictions on what I'm reading in things like Wall Street Journal and Business Week. I don't think too many business are budgeting out based on low oil prices, and I don't think the auto industry would be sinking all this coin into other technologies if they thought oil will stay relatively low. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm planning otherwise in things related to my personal life decisions. By the way, natural gas hasn't dipped as steeply as oil despite the bad economy which should give you a hint.
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60 Minutes by oldfarmer50
Jan 13, 2009 (3:53 pm)
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If you haven't seen the January 11, 2009 60 Minutes show about high oil prices go to YouTube and type in "60 Minutes The Price of Oil". They blame rampant speculation for the $147/bbl. price this summer.
 
Exactly what some of us were saying all along.
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Re: for the first time [kernick] by dave8697
Jan 13, 2009 (4:50 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 12, 2009 5:08 pm)

I was spending $700 a month on gas in 2007. I bought a new house to cut 100 gallons a month out of my use. I was left holding a $220,000 house that hit the resale market as the mortgage crisis hit full swing. I didn't even go on vacation in 2008. High gas caused everything else to jump up. The net result was and still is an economic recession.
 
In October 2008 I left for Florida on a 3000 mile trip. Gas was down to $3.55 when I left. There was nothing relatively cheap about it. $75 to fill up my Silverado before leaving and $60 more into the tank later in the day, and then twice more in the next day. Unfortunately, none of my other vehicles would have sufficed for the trip. I made the same trip in March 2008 and spent $390 on gas in a 9 day stretch. People who have to drive a full size truck for their everyday needs had to deal with this cost constantly. I had a car for daily use. How much gas is still carried on credit cards at 18% interest that was bought last summer?
 
It has been determined that almost 70% of all oil price increases were part of a grand scheme to enrich a few at the expense of the masses. Thanks to changes in commodity trading rules the same screwing may not be back this summer.

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