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How does gas at $4 and higher impact you?

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for the first time by nippononly
Jan 12, 2009 (7:12 am)
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in several months, gas is up - the average price is up $0.12 from a month ago, still only $1.78 though. Here in the Bay Area our average price is $2 right on the button. Very manageable.
 
I think if gas gets back to $3 this coming summer, it will put the squeeze on many folks much more than $4.50 gas did last summer, and those dealers who are hanging onto a bunch of Priuses may live to cheer their decisions to load up on them now while things are slow. But I could well be wrong. That's the great thing about Edmunds, you can speculate and have 25 people remind you how wrong you were later on!
 
Except perhaps for the May-July period last year, I would think most Prius purchases were calculated and intentional, and those buyers are not regretting their choices now even though the price of gas is at 5-year lows. Remember, only 1 of the 3 reasons people buy those cars is to save money - they also do it to (1) make an environmental statement, or (2) reduce imports of foreign oil because they feel it is a national security issue.
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Re: for the first time [nippononly] by gagrice
Jan 12, 2009 (8:02 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 7:12 am)

I agree with your assessment on Prius buyers. That does not make them smart. I would say the smart ones are shopping for a Prius NOW. They are a good buy below $20k loaded. Above that they are not so good. It looks like Mossy Toyota here in SD has sold 4 Prius since I posted last week. They are down to 102 in their inventory. At that rate they should be cleared out by June or July.
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FedEx by guss
Jan 12, 2009 (8:13 am)
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Is FedEx expecting fuel prices to go up? They have been charging a fuel surcharge for the past 2 years and continue to charge it even when gas was $1.50 per gallon.
 
Could it be aviation fuel is still high? More than likely customers become accustomed to the surcharge in the delivery price.
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Re: FedEx [guss] by gagrice
Jan 12, 2009 (12:23 pm)
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Replying to: guss (Jan 12, 2009 8:13 am)

Most of their fuel is diesel or Jet A which is higher than gas. We have a gas glut that is keeping that price low.
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Jan 12, 2009 (12:36 pm)
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Re: for the first time [nippononly] by boaz47
Jan 12, 2009 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 7:12 am)

The thing is the dealers with excess Prius on their lots now are sitting on 2008s. No one will pay sticker for a year old car when the 2009s are already out. And if those 08 don't move before september 2009 they will have to be sold below cost. There will be a loss no matter how gas does in the summer. There is a glut of 2008s of many cars and that will effect either 2009 sales or the profit that the dealers make on left over 2008s. My guess is that 2009 will be worse for new car sales than 2008 even if gas does go up. But the economy had a much larger effect on car sales than fuel prices did. The WSJ did say in an editorial that they felt it was going to be very hard to get people to pay list price for a car or a lamp in 2009.
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Re: for the first time [boaz47] by oldfarmer50
Jan 12, 2009 (4:12 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jan 12, 2009 1:34 pm)

"...it was going to be hard to get people to pay list price for a car or a lamp in 2009..."
 
If the economy keeps going the way it is going people won't be buying bread let alone cars.
 
My BIL works for a manufacturing plant which was sold by GE to a private equity firm (same deal as Chrysler being bought by Cerbrus). They just told him that they are cutting his wages by 40% and making him do the work formerly done by 3 people. His union is fighting it but he doesn't have much hope for a happy ending.
 
There is one person who won't be buying anything soon.
 
I can't see gas going back up to $4 with the economy in the dumper. People were drained of all their reserves this summer. They simply don't have the money.
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Re: for the first time [oldfarmer50] by jimbres
Jan 12, 2009 (4:24 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 12, 2009 4:12 pm)

I can't see gas going back up to $4 with the economy in the dumper. People were drained of all their reserves this summer. They simply don't have the money.
 
Agreed. Most of us will be sticking close to home this summer. I'd be surprised if gas prices in my neck of the woods (downstate NY) hit $2.50/gallon.
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Re: for the first time [jimbres] by kernick
Jan 12, 2009 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Jan 12, 2009 4:24 pm)

Most of us will be sticking close to home this summer.
 
You know gas is till pretty cheap relative to other things, even at $3.00/gal. I mean if you're going on vacation, a decent rental at the beach is at least $1,500 for the week, meals for a day for a family of four are $125(?), and then throw in some ice cream and mini-golf. Gasoline really isn't much of a vacation budget.
 
Plus for anybody who has a newer car, it seems pretty strange to have a vehicle worth $10K, $20K, or $30K sitting out in the driveway and then saying you can't afford the $50 to fill it up. You might as well buy an Armani suit and then sit in your house and watch wrestling in it.
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Re: for the first time [boaz47] by gagrice
Jan 12, 2009 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jan 12, 2009 1:34 pm)

The dealer I reported on here in SD has all 2009 Prius. I think the Gen 3 will be 2010 model. Not sure when they will come out. It does look like Mossy is moving cars. They had 106 Prius last week and only 98 a few minutes ago. Maybe the looser credit has gotten cars moving again.

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