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Automotive News & Views How does gas at $4 and higher impact you?
2183 messages, Last post on Nov 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM
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I think someone mentioned the concept of a tax based on mileage a while back. I didn't pay much attention since it seemed such a new age wacko idea. Now I hear on the news today that Oregon wants to do just that, impose a tax based on how many miles you drive. While this might make some sense at first glance, the more you think about it, it is an awful idea. First off, what about those who live in rural areas that have to drive 2, 5, or 10 times the milage to reach basic services. This would be blatant discrimination of city vs. country folks. Without acess to any reasonable alternatives the people in eastern Oregon would have to pay or do without. (sorry dear, can't take you the 40 miles to the hospital, my taxes would go up). Second, the way they plan on assessing the tax is to install a GPS tracking device in every car. Did some one say Big Brother? Although they say they won't use the GPS to violate your privacy I've seen enough abuse of the E-Z Pass system here in NY to be very wary. Just wait until your wife's divorce lawyer subpoenas your records to track your movements. And if you think the government is above messing with your private information just ask "Joe the Plumber" what happened in Ohio.  Oh, and finally, who is going to pay for all the equipment and infrastructure required to make the system work and collect the tax? How much money would really reach the roads? 
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took it to boston the other night. it's still the best vehicle we have for travelling in the winter. the rear passengers enjoyed having their own heat. it was single digits on the way home. glad i had it as i had the priviledge of driving on the toll road mass pike, which had some pot holed sections that you couldn't see in the dark. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 02, 2009 9:54 pm) The solution is to spend fuel taxes on building and maintaining roads, not diverting the fuel taxes to social service agencies & other causes unrelated to vehicles. Socialists usually recommend raising taxes rather than being efficient with their tax income because it is easier to rob one group to pay for another cause than to be diligent with the income at the time. |
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Replying to: jimbres (Jan 03, 2009 8:43 am) I suppose somebody could start a forum with a title along those lines and then people could share experiences about dropping off their late model SUVs in favor of a small car and what, if any problems, they've had with huge negative equity amounts or lack of space for their families. Just a thought.
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Replying to: tankbeans (Jan 03, 2009 9:10 am) Not sure how many people are going to admit it though.  Sorry you sold your SUV? |
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 03, 2009 9:01 am) Since they have to travel over 2, 5 or 10 times as much road wouldn't they use 2, 5 or 10 times as much of that road and wouldn't they do 2, 5 or 10 times as much wear and tear on the road? So to be fair shouldn't they pay more for road upkeep? Second, the way they plan on assessing the tax is to install a GPS tracking device in every car. Well you could do a yearly inspection and just read the odometer and assess the tax on that.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 03, 2009 9:17 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 03, 2009 9:17 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jan 03, 2009 9:18 am) I like that idea a Lot. But would they pay me if I didn't travel more than 100 miles or so. Lets say I only put 1500 miles on my car or SUV? "what do you mean you think I disconnected my speedometer?" How about this idea? When the government proposes a program they actually have to "plan" on how it will be funded. Or how about this, when you collect a road tax you actually have to spend it on roads? Or how about this, a balanced budget? Maybe it is just easier to give yourself a raise of $4,000 because you have done such a fine job as a legislator? Lets see if we have this straight. Wall street messes up so it gets a break. The Auto manufacturers mess up so they get a break. The Government mess up so they turn to the people that actually did their best to follow the rules no one else followed and reaches into their wallet? Maybe we should try to vote these pickle heads out of office.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jan 03, 2009 9:25 am) Depending on where you are I'd say you and your friend should try again and report back, when roads are nice, and then do a reversal and try to get the highest reading and report back. I know I would be amused to know how you do it. Of course my mileage sucks right now because it's winter. Went from 27 this summer and am down to 21-24, depending on how much I have to use the defrost. I know I'm not the only one who is having problems with winter consumption. At least gas isn't so high or we'd be spending even more on gas up here in MN, especially with mandatory E10.
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