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Re: and conservation continues [nippononly] by boaz47
Jan 02, 2009 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 01, 2009 12:54 pm)

"The news reported this morning that despite the price of gas spiralling down into the basement the last 3 months, Americans STILL used 6.1% less of it during that quarter than the same quarter in 2007. Since the nationwide rise in gasoline consumption during the 20 years before that was a reliable 3-4% per year, that effectively represents close to a 10% reduction in use."
 
To show an example of poking a sharp stick in the eye of the consumer, and another reason I oppose taxing gas as you suggested, the news announced today that both our state and the Feds are concerned with the decrease in useage. As a reward for this conservation they are looking to increase fuel taxes as much as 50% to cover the loss or short fall. Like I mentioned before increasing taxes will not go to new roads or new industries. The government will simply pocket it to cover whatever programs they are "already" funding. So we were told to cut back on useage and we did and for that we will get a 50 percent tax increase? I can hardly wait to see what happens if we cut useage even more. Will we be required to work in the oil fields one week a year for free? If we discover an alternative fuel will we have to pay taxes to cover the loss revenue from the oil companies?
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Re: and conservation continues [boaz47] by gagrice
Jan 02, 2009 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jan 02, 2009 1:17 pm)

You are getting the picture. I expect a speech about the first of February telling US all we are going to have to tighten our belts. My question. Will the Feds and the states start cutting back on all the wasted services?
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. by fintail
Jan 02, 2009 (6:35 pm)
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I wonder if cheap gas will make the overpaid underworked dopes who sequence stoplights intentionally mess up the sequencing to make cars burn a little more gas. They seem to have done that in my area
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It just makes me mad by boaz47
Jan 02, 2009 (9:18 pm)
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That they were preaching for us to cut back on useage and out of the other side of their face they decide to punish us for doing just what they told us we should do.
 
Think about it. If they would have taxed us first and then we cut back on useage they would have had to tax us again to make us pay for successfully getting us to drive less or heaven forbid use more fuel efficient cars.
 
With their reasoning if we all would have switched to diesels or Hybrids they would have increased our fuel taxes by 100 percent just to cover the lose tax revenue from using less fuel. Maybe if we have a very cold winter our country can burn enough oil to save the rest of us from being taxed out of our socks.
 
If any have been reading this forum they will remember there were those that were sad to see gas drop below $4.00. They were sad when SUVs roamed the streets and said we would live in a better country is we only started saving fuel by driving sub compacts and hybrids. We saved more than 6 percent in fuel useage and now we have the joy of making it up in increased taxes? Makes one hope the SUV makes a comeback.
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Re: and conservation continues [boaz47] by euphonium
Jan 02, 2009 (9:32 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jan 02, 2009 1:17 pm)

I read where the Feds want a 50 cent per gallon increase rather than a 50%.
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Re: It just makes me mad [boaz47] by steve_ HOST
Jan 02, 2009 (9:54 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Jan 02, 2009 9:18 pm)

How else are you going to pay for and maintain the roads? If tax revenue falls, there goes new construction and maintenance. Even if you stopped all the diversions for anything not specifically related to roads and bridges, you're looking at massive shortfalls.
 
We could privatize all of them and let the owner collect tolls.
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Re: It just makes me mad [steve_] by gagrice
Jan 03, 2009 (6:14 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 02, 2009 9:54 pm)

How else are you going to pay for and maintain the roads?
 
Obama plans to spend a $1,000,000,000,000 on fixing all the problems. Infrastructure was top of the list. So not to worry. High mileage cars are an issue. Those that hate SUVs like the fact that we pay 2 to 3 times more road tax than the econo boxes. What would be the tax revenue taken in if all the PU Trucks and SUVs were banned? How much does each Prius driver contribute to the roads compared to each Tahoe Driver?
 
Right today in CA there is more fuel tax than any other state. Yet they want more. If Ahnold and the goons in the legislature would spend the road tax on the roads we would not need an SUV to get home through all the potholes. I feel like I am living in Mexico with some of our roads.
 
I was very impressed with the roads in Texas. We traveled 8 days in Texas and rarely used the Interstate highways. We stuck to back roads and 2 lane highways. Many were posted 75 MPH and were wide and smooth. Unlike here where the let every tom, dick and harry contractor dig them up for utilities, then haphazardly patch them. I would doubt that even half of our CA gas tax goes to maintaining roads and bridges. Unless they are spending it all in and around Sacramento.
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Re: It just makes me mad [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jan 03, 2009 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 03, 2009 6:14 am)

Texas has oil.
 
The UAE counties have some impressive roads too.
 
Taming the Jebel Hafeet Mountain Road
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Re: It just makes me mad [steve_] by gagrice
Jan 03, 2009 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 03, 2009 7:51 am)

CA had lots of gold and squandered it all I think it is more a case of mismanagement than lack of funds when you look at the different states. Getting any figures on how the money is spent from different sources of revenue is complex. I do know the National average to educate a kid in public schools is $9866 per student per year. CA has districts that are pushing $20k per student per year. You could buy a heck of a good PRIVATE education for that amount.
 
So private roads? One of the best kept secrets in CA was a private toll road 73, that cut across and saved driving through the I5 to I405 interchange. It used to cost about $2. Then as people found out about it and it got built up around there it became just as crowded. I avoid any place North of San Clemente if possible. It is just horrible driving. Other than parts of the Coast, there is not much worth seeing until you get way past San Francisco.
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Re: It just makes me mad [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jan 03, 2009 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 03, 2009 8:23 am)

Well, if that many people are willing to pay a toll, then the easy solution is to privatize most of the intercity roads and some of the local ones (the Dulles toll road for example).

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