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Automotive News & Views How does gas at $4 and higher impact you?
2183 messages, Last post on Nov 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 19, 2008 6:37 am) I actually heard someone say something like that. "As if" is the right response to that, for sure.
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 19, 2008 7:44 am) I also heard that Bush invented global warming so hurricane Katrina would wipe out all the democrats in New Orleans. He and Chaney blew up the levees to drown all the black folks too. They were all full of themselves after driving around Ohio on election night stealing all the voting machines. Please give the Bush bashing a rest. He made enough real mistakes to take a beating for years, he hardly needs the made-up paranoid stuff. 
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 19, 2008 7:44 am) I reckon you got to believe them then - whoever and whatever they said; and what you might have heard and ciphered, from that.  Now you understand why we don't believe you're interpreting the entire GW issue correctly. 
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 18, 2008 6:38 pm) But on a side note, remember when some were suggesting raising fuel prices by increasing taxes on fuel? Now do you see how bad that would have been? Unlike what we just went through it would have been much harder to lower fuel prices once they have been taxed. The government doesn't give back anything they got out of your wallet.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Nov 19, 2008 3:02 pm) Oh absolutely not, no. In fact with the price of gas down more than $2 in 4 months, now is the perfect time to slide a $0.50/gallon tax in there to discourage future consumption just a little. Heck, the price even in California would still be well under $3/gallon. They they could raise it $0.10-0.20 per year for the next five.
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 19, 2008 7:00 pm) In fact what you are suggesting is part of the problem with our economy as it is. High fuel prices hurt businesses because people stopped driving to them. Young people got laid off because the businesses didn't need them and you would suggest we aren't paying enough for fuel? Why not just suggest higher taxes to pay for more welfair.? People could stay home and collect a check and not have to drive anywhere. But I will give you this, you aren't concerned with being popular.
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Ok just saw it last night here in the far SW suburbs of Chicago $1.999/gallon regular. Although most places have it a few pennies above $2/gallon there are a few where it has dropped below $2. Now where is that steak dinner? I know the greatest little steak house. 
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Replying to: boaz47 (Nov 19, 2008 10:41 pm) Truer words never spoken. We went out last night to El Cajon to listen to a friend play his music. The place was packed where normally it would be only a handful. At the break I asked him what was the occasion? It was the City of El Cajon employees being treated to a feast including free booze. They were celebrating the increase in sales tax on this last election. So now the lucky people in El Cajon pay 8.75% sales tax and in the county we pay 7.75%. I had stopped shopping in El Cajon when they went up to 8.25%.. I will do more shopping online to avoid this kind extortion. I do not find higher taxes a reason to celebrate on the tax payers money. Adding 50 cents to our gas tax in this economy would be CRAZY. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 20, 2008 5:19 am) When the history is written of this period in time, I think you're going to see it as an acceleration of the transfer of power to the government, and the transfer of wealth to the rich and powerful (politically connected). I will do more shopping online to avoid this kind extortion. I'd invite you to come over to NH to enjoy our 0% sales tax, but the high temps. each day now is only about 30F. And we don't have an income tax. And our unemployment rate in Oct was 4.1%. House prices were never in a bubble, and they have not dropped much now either. We don't have these neighborhoods where people move in for a few years, don't know each other and then are gone. Families live in the same area for many years, and you can basically leave your doors unlocked (though you don't advertise it of course). I guess we didn't put all our eggs in 1 basket, making autos and auto parts. Just bought 93-octane for $2.19 last night, though I think I'm in the more expensive part of the state. |
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Replying to: boaz47 (Nov 19, 2008 10:41 pm) The problem with the system now is that it is unsustainable in the long term. And unsustainability leads to price spikes (hello summer 2008) and other unpleasantries. Put in a $0.50 gas tax, make it clear that from now on gasoline consumption is going to be a little, just a little, discouraged. Make people think about the lifestyle choices they are making and the gasoline they consume, and then if they still want to go ahead and waste their money its theirs to waste. Increment that tax in the next few years, eventually bring it to $1. Make it $1.50 by 2020 when the new CAFE standards are supposed to be fully in effect. Maybe more? And as far as where the money goes, well, just like you I have little faith it will be used wisely or well by the government. But for me that isn't the point of a tax like this, and what if it IS used well? What if they steer some towards better road maintenance or programs to reduce fuel consumption? Then you would have a win-win.  Oh and by the way? The problem with the political system we have now is that politicians are much TOO concerned with being popular, rather than doing the things that need doing. So no, I am not.
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