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Automotive News & Views How does gas at $4 and higher impact you?
2183 messages, Last post on Nov 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 06, 2008 9:34 am) Did they just legalize dope in your state? Are you kidding? There was a reason that private rail companies dumped passenger rail 50 years ago...IT WAS A MONEY LOSER. Passenger rail doesn't generate anything but debt. And by the way, those 450,000 new jobs will probably be tax collectors to squeeze the last penny out of CA citizens. 
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2008 3:58 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 06, 2008 9:34 am) Calling somebody a hater?
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Replying to: murphydog (Nov 06, 2008 5:12 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2008 3:58 pm) "But, then again, just about everything in Prop. 1A is made up out of thin air, as I noted in the last item of Sunday's print column. And voters just might buy it, pathetically enough. " And they did, 52.3% if only there were more California voters who thought like g. Btw oil closed at $60.77 /bbl today making the absurd economics g pointed out even more absurd. Sorry g, California voters, they pout, they whine, they say dude. Even the KFC proposition2 "PROP 2 Standards for Confining Farm Animals. Initiative Statute. Requires that certain farm animals be allowed, for the majority of every day, to fully extend their limbs or wings, lie down, stand up and turn around. Limited exceptions apply. Fiscal Impact: Potential unknown decrease in state and local tax revenues from farm businesses, possibly in the range of several million dollars annually. Potential minor local and state enforcement and prosecution costs, partly offset by increased fine revenue. " Or as many like to say, dow down 483, 929 points in 2 days, relief perhaps after mid month but no obama bounce. But it's all good dude. What in the hell does that mean? Obviously some is not good.. Rather a vapid 90's phrase that when one connects an upper left hook to your mandible you'll reply with the rhetoric that it's all good. Well alrighty then.
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Replying to: duke23 (Nov 06, 2008 7:42 pm) Makes $4 gas seem unimportant. We are in an enormous monetary crisis and people are afraid a chicken does not get proper exercise. We have people that cannot afford eggs right now and CA voters want to raise the price. Well China and India will raise chickens for eggs. CA is the Garlic capitol of the World. Or so I thought. I bought a bag of 3 nice garlic bulbs and when I got it home it says right on it. Product of China. CA is hell bent on running every bit of industry out of the state. At least CA has cheap enough gas right now for people to pack up from their foreclosed homes and get out of this state before it implodes. The only jobs will be for illegals mowing the grass of retired people and working in Mexican Restaurants. Good thing I love Mexican food. The cheaper the better.
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And if things in CA weren't bad enough, isn't the Governator proposing a 1.5% increase to the sales tax rate (taking the rate in LA County to over 10%) to cover a budget shortfall predicted for the next few years? 100 million passengers? There are 36 million people living in the state of California; are we to expect that every person in the state (from Blythe to Humboldt) will ride this new train 3 times a year? It's not like it will be a commuter train (which does exist in SoCal by the way - and would run fine except for the engineers texting civilians when they should be looking at the signals), where someone would travel from SF to LA for the day, then return in the evening. |
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I'm going to call you two doom and gloom!  OK, not sure where you got this 100 million figure, but the first two sources I pulled up had 70 million and 65-95 million passenger trips per year: http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt1a.htm http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/sunletters/la-oew-tempelis-moore21-2008- oct21,0,96665.story I think each leg of your trip counts as a trip, that would be standard parlance for environmental impact reviews of this type. So if you go to LA in the morning and come back in the evening, you have made two trips. I can believe that 35 million people per year would make that trip (or its reverse, LA to SF and back) once, or much more likely 7 million people make that trip 5 times per year (just Christmas and Thanksgiving would be four). Heck, I make it four to six times a year or more, so I ALONE am good for a dozen trips towards the count! Anyway, we can go on despising everything done by government, everything done by anyone but ourselves, anything and everything EVERYWHERE, or we can just accept that it might be nice to have a really good alternative to the airlines and I-5. And you never know, if gas is at $8 in 2020 when this thing is supposed to be up and running in its initial phases, an electric train that will take you from LA to SF in half the time of driving for the same price the gas would cost might seem like a good thing. 
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 06, 2008 10:30 pm) Do the math, 35,000,000 per year is on average 95,000 a day, or on average just under 4,000 people an hour. If you average 1,000 people a train thats a train leaving every 15 minutes or about 20 trains running at one time. Somehow I don't think so. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2008 4:21 pm) Unless you are an accountant on the inside of this project, your imaginary numbers mean nothing. The people in this to make money would know the REAL numbers. They are not going to invest in something that's going to lose money. How stupid do you think they are? People don't generally get rich by being idiots. There are exceptions though.
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