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Re: Where's bottom? [steve_] by oldfarmer50
Nov 02, 2008 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2008 8:08 am)

"...settling in at closer to $3..."
 
The president of Chevron said the same thing. I hope you're both wrong.
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Re: Where's bottom? [oldfarmer50] by boaz47
Nov 02, 2008 (8:11 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Nov 02, 2008 4:34 pm)

"...settling in at closer to $3..."
  
The president of Chevron said the same thing. I hope you're both wrong.

 
Well e all can hope.
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Re: Where's bottom? [boaz47] by steve_ HOST
Nov 02, 2008 (8:32 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Nov 02, 2008 8:11 pm)

I've been wrong plenty of times before before.
 
But I'm still shopping for a higher mpg car than either of the two we have now....
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Re: Where's bottom? [steve_] by duke23
Nov 02, 2008 (10:03 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2008 8:08 am)

Steve wrote:
" don't see gas pushing $4 a gallon in the next couple of years absent double doses of hurricanes in the refinery zones or other catastrophic events. But I could sure see it settling in at closer to $3 a gallon instead of $2.
   
Anyone got a better crystal ball?"
 
No crystal ball but some insight. Unusually cold winter so lows to be made in 1st quarter '09. Mid to high 40's my guess but it won't stay there.
$4.00 gas 27-32 months. That is if we do nothing with the speculators. If by chance we do, much much longer. The fundamental out look is really unchanged, but demand really sucks. jmho.
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Re: Where's bottom? [duke23] by nippononly
Nov 02, 2008 (10:39 pm)
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Replying to: duke23 (Nov 02, 2008 10:03 pm)

I have no faith that anyone will be successful in stemming the injurious activities of the speculators.
 
So the next time they want to make some profits at everyone else's expense, we will all just have to suck it up and pay those spikey prices for a few months again. And next time I suppose it will be closer to $5 than $4.
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Re: Where's bottom? [nippononly] by kernick
Nov 03, 2008 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 02, 2008 10:39 pm)

So the next time they want to make some profits at everyone else's expense, we will all just have to suck it up and pay those spikey prices for a few months again.
 
So if people bidding around the world for the oil being produced doesn't work, what's the alternative? The U.S. government can't set the price. It wouldn't work too well if we demanded $70/barrel oil while the rest of the world was willing to pay $100/barrel.
I think this is one of the reasons why financial advisors tell you to keep several months of cash, and don't lead a lifestyle on the financial edge. How many people do you know that supposedly have trouble paying for gas, yet have money for cellphones, $100/month cable-internet bills, go to movies and eat out?
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Re: Where's bottom? [kernick] by nippononly
Nov 03, 2008 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 03, 2008 7:55 am)

So maybe they should stick to pork bellies. Nobody starves to death when the speculators go on a bidding war for pork bellies. They just switch to chicken (speaking figuratively here).
 
Oil is a unique case, one in which there should be no commodities trading, no bidding for contracts. In fact, most energy trading should be the same way. Energy may seem like a market commodity, but in its many forms it is more a necessity of the American lifestyle than it is an option.
 
Imagine the uproar there would be if there was commodity trading and speculation for water.
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Re: Where's bottom? [nippononly] by steve_ HOST
Nov 03, 2008 (8:32 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 03, 2008 8:10 am)

Imagine the uproar
 
Hmmm, this link says that the World Trade Organization (WTO) and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) consider water a trade commodity. Careful what you wish for eh?
 
My subdivision is trying to buy water and get off our wells, and we'll buy it from the French if we have to (United Water is an option here).
 
Oil is down a bit this morning and predictions are that it will go down some more due to the weak global economy. OPEC is trying to cut production, but as usual, not all member countries are following along with the cuts.
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Re: Where's bottom? [steve_] by oldfarmer50
Nov 03, 2008 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2008 8:32 am)

"...we'll buy it from the French if we have to..."
 
Where do you live steve, Spain?
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Re: Where's bottom? [oldfarmer50] by steve_ HOST
Nov 03, 2008 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Nov 03, 2008 8:55 am)

Idaho - United Water Idaho serves 215,000 people in Boise. It's owned by United Water Resources which is owned by Suez Lyonnaise Des Eaux.
 
"Suez has 125 million customers in 40 countries with subsidiaries such as Ondeo and United Water. Their 2002 revenue was €6.4 billion which makes it the largest water corporation in the world." Public Citizen
 
Well water in my neighborhood is marginal and often rusty. So we'll take French water if we can get it, and we'll burn diesel from OPEC if that's what it takes to run the lift station to pump it up the hill.
 
Although if my well dies, I may look into a water catchment system like my friends in Taos have.

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