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Re: The good, the bad, the ugly. [gagrice] by lemko
Oct 16, 2008 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 16, 2008 11:14 am)


 
He'll also save us all from Manbearpig! I'm serial!
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Re: The good, the bad, the ugly. [boaz47] by gagrice
Oct 16, 2008 (12:30 pm)
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If I could find a EV city car that gave me a range of 100 miles I would sell the compact and only have the EV and the Tahoe. Oh and my bicycles!
 
Sounds like the perfect combination to me. I would get a GEM for runs to the Store, bank and PO, if they were legal. Not allowed in CA on streets posted over 35 MPH.
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Re: The good, the bad, the ugly. [gagrice] by boaz47
Oct 16, 2008 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 16, 2008 12:30 pm)

"Sounds like the perfect combination to me. I would get a GEM for runs to the Store, bank and PO, if they were legal. Not allowed in CA on streets posted over 35 MPH".
 
There I have an advantage. I can get to the bank, store and post office without getting on a street posted over 35. I can go to the shopping mall and the walmart. I just can't go to the refuse station.
 
But I can ride my bicycle from here to San Diego if my lungs and legs were up to it. At this point they are not.
 
But the fuel prices have effected my mindset and unlike most Californians I just don't believe I have to drive everywhere. When I take out the Pontiac we always combine errands. That way I only put gas in it every three weeks. Gas was $2.99 at the downtown Colorado Springs Shamrock today. Almost made my face break from my smile. I no longer believe we should have bailed out wall street. Maybe gas would have fallen below $2.00 by now?
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Re: The Case for rugged SUVs in the USA [gagrice] by kdhspyder
Oct 16, 2008 (2:54 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 16, 2008 7:09 am)

Everytime you bring these figures up I will continue to correct the erroneous conclusion..
 
The RAV4, 4Runner, FJ, Prius and Land Cruiser ( OK tiny volume ) are all made in Japan.
 
With the direction of the US$ vs the JY and the Euro over the last 12 months it would be foolish and a huge business error to increase sales in the US with its increasingly worthless currency. To maintain or increase sales in the US while limiting sales in Europe or Asia is like setting money on fire.
 
Now when the RAV and the Prius are made here soon ( Nov 08 and 2010 ) there will likely be a spike in volume because the currency issue will be gone. TheFJ is dead. The 4Runner will return to its roots in the desert and the LC will remain for a chosen few.
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Re: The Case for rugged SUVs in the USA [kdhspyder] by gagrice
Oct 16, 2008 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 16, 2008 2:54 pm)

The first dealer Mossy has 28 RAV4s on their lot. 11 of them are still 2008 models. That looks like lack of sales not lack of inventory. Same for the Prius. They are sitting on 17 Prius. They are even putting money on the hood of the Prius, $2500 or 0% financing.
 
http://www.mossytoyota.com/specials/new.htm
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Re: The good, the bad, the ugly. [lemko] by oldfarmer50
Oct 16, 2008 (3:31 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Oct 16, 2008 12:18 pm)

"...Harry the Hungry? It's more like Feddie the Freeloader!..."
 
But who will save us from Eddie the Eco Terrorist? If Al Gore has his way you'll be riding that bike on a treadmill to power his mansion.
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Re: The Case for rugged SUVs in the USA [gagrice] by kdhspyder
Oct 16, 2008 (3:31 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 16, 2008 3:06 pm)

The 0% does not apply to the Prius.. It's on 11 specific models but none of the hybrids - for now.
 
The $2500 discount? That's a new and entirely different story since the Credit Meltdown. It's not from Toyota, it's dealer specific. Every auto retailer is in dire straits today. I'd expect a 20-50% reduction in total buying across the board for the next 6 months, Buyers right now are just sitting on their hands. I'd expect with annual sales at the 13 million unit rate that as many as 40-50% of the domestic stores will close their doors and Toy/Honda will each be down 20+%.
 
Every store in our area is running skinny with layoffs in all salaried positions. Former salaried positions are being offered positions on the floor ( sell or starve ) or out the door.
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Re: The Case for rugged SUVs in the USA [kdhspyder] by gagrice
Oct 16, 2008 (4:49 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 16, 2008 3:31 pm)

Keeping the old beater with the price of gas falling is the smart move. Though you can make some deals. For me $2500 discount wouldn't keep me in the office 5 minutes on Any new car. I want them to bleed on the showroom floor. This recession is long overdue. Dropping the interest to keep the economy rolling was not a wise Greenspan move. I guess in 2001 it seemed like a good idea. If all the Big 3 survive it will be a miracle.
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Re: The Case for rugged SUVs in the USA [kdhspyder] by duke23
Oct 16, 2008 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Oct 16, 2008 2:54 pm)

kdyhspyder wrote:
"Everytime you bring these figures up I will continue to correct the erroneous conclusion."
 
I know you , meant well, being fuel efficient, versus wasteful . Thanks, sincerely for the mea culpa but here is how the real world works.
It was never supply vs demand as the demand was gamed., They are running for the hills. Paradigm = busted . I'm glad you drive a Prius.
You drive some serious miles and even at the coming low levels it will make sense. Who does Chin-India sell to ? While we were not in global recession in the 1st half of this year we are now. Time to change the name of this forum, Oh did I say that before I quote yet once more, oil doth love it extremes. g:, I couldn't agree more , post on sir.
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Re: The Case for rugged SUVs in the USA [gagrice] by boaz47
Oct 16, 2008 (6:36 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 16, 2008 4:49 pm)

Not often do you and I agree. Or maybe we do it is just the disagreements are more memorable. But in this case I agree. This melt down was long over due.

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