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Re: Just topped off at $2.65 [larsb] by grbeck
Oct 15, 2008 (5:50 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 14, 2008 2:17 pm)

larsb: No one (not any one) expected the current gas price situation/SUV Glut and the fairly rapid death of the SUV Era.
 
It's not that GM didn't foresee the recent spike in gas prices, although, long term, I believe that the housing bust and tightening of credit standards will have the more permanent impact on Americans' vehicle choices.
 
It's that GM put ALL of its eggs in the light truck and luxury car basket. The Corvette, Tahoe, Silverado, CTS and Escalade are great vehicles. Unfortunately, with the G6, Aveo and Cobalt, you can tell that GM was pretty much phoning it in when it developed those vehicles.
 
With Honda, on the other hand, one gets the impression that management takes the Fit and Civic as seriously as it does the Pilot and MDX. Same with Toyota regarding the Yaris and Corolla versus the Tundra or 4Runner.
 
The first approach works if gas is $2 a gallon, but if gas goes to $4 a gallon, the company is in big trouble. The second approach works whether gas is $2 a gallon, or $4 a gallon.
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Re: Just topped off at $2.65 [oldfarmer50] by larsb
Oct 15, 2008 (6:04 am)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Oct 14, 2008 3:05 pm)

You got the wrong dude old timer.
 
I never made any predictions on the price of oil. And the only prediction I ever made on gas is that we will never hit $2 as a USA average and I still hold to that belief.
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Re: Just topped off at $2.65 [larsb] by gagrice
Oct 15, 2008 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 15, 2008 6:04 am)

I think if you go back to my predictions it was $2 gas PERIOD. That means anyplace in the USA gets $2 gas, I win the million rubles bet.
 
The chances of $2 gas in CA is slim. Many parts of the USA do not have 70 cents tax on each gallon of gas. Brent just hit $70 per barrel. Wholesale gas is $1.81. We should see gas in many parts of the USA down in the $2.35 range within a couple weeks. Last year this time the price was headed up. This year it is going down. I do think oil under $65 would slow down exploration.
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Lower Gas Prices Seen as Temporary by lemko
Oct 15, 2008 (6:55 am)
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From the Philadelphia newspaper:
 
http://api.aggregateknowledge.com/cp?t=www.philly.com%2Fphilly%2Fbusiness%2F3083- 4309.html&f=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.philly.com%2Fphilly%2Fopinion%2F30996159.html&rg=13- 57&sid=306&rid=391&a=8964&p=0&s=DE&rt=RECOMMENDATION&i=504
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Re: Just topped off at $2.65 [gagrice] by larsb
Oct 15, 2008 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 15, 2008 6:31 am)

Oh, now you are changing the game in mid-stream.
 
$2 gas in BumFrick Indiana and no place else does not mean we got $2 gas back.
 
$2 gas means most of America can buy it for $2.
 
$2 gas means the EIA and AAA both rate the USA Average price at $2 or below.
 
THAT'S the metric I'm using.
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Re: What is it worth [dave8697] by kernick
Oct 15, 2008 (7:11 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Oct 14, 2008 5:20 pm)

It will be interesting to see what you and others do in the future if oil prices stay relatively low. I think history will repeat itself. What do I mean?
 
The world went thru price shocks and shortages in the 70's, 80's and around the 1st Gulf War in '91. People downsized to 4 cyl 40mpg Escorts, Chevelles and such. But when gas-prices moderated people trended back to larger, more powerful vehicles, which the manufacturers then saw the trend for. You don't have 40mpg, 2000Lb Ford Escorts and Chevy Chevelle type cars being sold.
 
People with 50 mile commutes though really do need to bet on high-prices and stay efficient.
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Re: What is it worth [kernick] by gagrice
Oct 15, 2008 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Oct 15, 2008 7:11 am)

You are absolutely correct. It is all cyclical. I ran into a guy at Lowes. He had the cleanest 1984 Mitsubishi PU truck. In big letters on the side it said Turbo Diesel. So I talked to him. He bought it new because of the price of gas in 1983. It now has 270k+ miles and still going strong. He just happen to span the cycles. He told me they built that model from 1983-85. Then gas prices started down and folks went for the 0-60 MPH rather than the high MPG. It will happen again. It is human nature. When gas gets back in the low $2 range this fall you will see an upsurge in large vehicles. No one really wants to ride around in a Yugo unless they are a masochist.
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Re: Just topped off at $2.65 [gagrice] by larsb
Oct 15, 2008 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 15, 2008 6:31 am)

Gary "gives up"
 
Look at that post from March. You gave up your $2 pipe dream.
 
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Re: Just topped off at $2.65 [larsb] by gagrice
Oct 15, 2008 (7:35 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 15, 2008 7:28 am)

Weak moment. I got the faith back. I did not give completely up. I did say it was bleak. Someone just posted $2.58 in Ohio. Dropping like a rock. Hope you shorted oil futures.
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Re: Just topped off at $2.65 [larsb] by oldfarmer50
Oct 15, 2008 (7:40 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 15, 2008 6:04 am)

"...I never made any predictions..."
 
Post #65--July, 16 2008 (3:23 pm). larsb wrote:
 
    "The average USA price today rose to another ALL - TIME HIGH of $4.114. What in the WORLD could happen to make gas lose $1.114 a gallon in the next 120 days? It would require an oil price drop of at least 25% by September and have oil not go back up.
    And demand would have to DROP significantly worldwide.
    Be specific in what you think could happen to make it drop 27% in 120 days!!!"
 
That was your response to a poster who predicted $3 gas by November. Sounded like a prediction of what would NOT happen but still a prediction.
 
BTW, oil is down to about $75 today. ( That's down 49% in 97 days)
 
COME ON $2 GAS!

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