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99 ES 300 Won't shift into OD - Ever

15 messages,  Last post on Oct 17, 2008 at 11:52 AM

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Re: 99 ES 300 Won't shift into OD - Ever [dsmcasey] by wwest
Jul 11, 2008 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: dsmcasey (Jul 10, 2008 9:22 am)

Those codes, that combination, would seemingly indicate a bank 1 fuel injector closing slowly or never fully closing.
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Re: 99 ES 300 Won't shift into OD - Ever [dsmcasey] by pgood
Oct 14, 2008 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: dsmcasey (Jul 10, 2008 9:22 am)

so what was the final outcome or "fix" for this problem? I have the exact same problem on the same vehicle. Is this issue common for the Lexus ES300? HELP!!
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Re: 99 ES 300 Won't shift into OD - Ever [pgood] by wwest
Oct 14, 2008 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: pgood (Oct 14, 2008 1:06 pm)

If the OD lockup clutch has degraded to the point it slips the ECU will soon "learn" that and stop using OD. The other possibility is that the engine itself is so degraded it cannot produce enough torque in the OD road speed range that OD can be used.
 
You can test the above theories by filling with 92 octane, disconnecting the battery to erase the previous "learned" parameters and see if the ECU will then use, or attempt to use OD. If the clutch is failing the ECU will soon stop using OD again. If the engine is degraded the ECU may use OD again until you switch back to regular.
 
You might also want to look into the possibility that the engine is degraded due to a clogged exhaust due to catalyst structure failure.
 
If the 99 had an ATF thermistor to prevent use of OD until the fluid was warmed up the thermistor may have failed.
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Re: 99 ES 300 Won't shift into OD - Ever [wwest] by pgood
Oct 15, 2008 (5:06 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Oct 14, 2008 1:51 pm)

The malfunctioning ATF thermistor makes sense because the car would begin shifing into OD once the engine/trans was warmed up in the winter (last year). Is the thermistor located outside of the transmission? Should I have a mechanic do the work? How much will it cost me?
 
Let's assume that the OD problem is resolved by replacing the thermistor. I still have the CEL and Traction Control lights to deal with. I had the ECU code read...P0330 "Knock Sensor 2". I was told by the Lexus service folks that the Traction Control is frequently "shut down" by the ECU when a CEL is activated for a prolonged period of time. Is this true? What should my next steps be? I'm hesitant to take the car to the Lexus dealer again because they were not able to resolve my problems by changing out parts (rear injector bank) which cost me $1200. It seems they read the codes, then change out parts without resolving the root cause. Thank you very much for your assistance.
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Re: 99 ES 300 Won't shift into OD - Ever [pgood] by wwest
Oct 15, 2008 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: pgood (Oct 15, 2008 5:06 am)

Why did you not disclose "all this" at the very beginning...??
 
The engine/transaxle ECU WILL NOT use OD if the engine performance is KNOWN to be degraded. A knock sensor 2 code is a clear indication of degraded engine performance. And a VSC, Trac fault code is a default condition anytime there is a CEL. Fix the engine problem and the Trac code will also go off.
 
And keep in mind that the knock sensor code may not mean the problem is with the knock sensor itself.
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Re: 99 ES 300 Won't shift into OD - Ever [wwest] by dsmcasey
Oct 15, 2008 (10:23 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Oct 15, 2008 7:13 am)

Wow...This was an old post...But, I got the problem resolved. I reset the ECU after it threw the codes for a second time. Turns out it was the knock sensors and the CEL was just malfunctioning. The car WAS in limp home mode. I was surprised the tranny didn't shift harder considering it was in LIMP mode. But, anyway, I got both knock sensors and the wiring replaced (and got the CEL fixed). My wife's uncle is a retired mechanic and he did the work at a discount. It was still quite costly though for all the parts. Regardles, after the sensors were replaced the car went into overdrive and drives fine. It actually drives tons better. I was amazed at how much of a difference it made.
 
Thanks,
Casey
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Re: 99 ES 300 Won't shift into OD - Ever [dsmcasey] by pgood
Oct 15, 2008 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: dsmcasey (Oct 15, 2008 10:23 am)

Casey, Thanks very much for the information. Do you know how difficult it was to replace the knock sensors? I may try to do it myself if it's not a huge job. I received a price of $155 each for an aftermarket sensor....not sure about the wiring. Please share more information if possible.
 
Thanks,
Pat
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Re: 99 ES 300 Won't shift into OD - Ever [pgood] by wwest
Oct 16, 2008 (7:24 pm)
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Replying to: pgood (Oct 15, 2008 10:44 am)

Before you spend money I would reset the CEL by disconnecting the battery and put in a FULL tank of high octane. It is entirely possible the engine knock was a transient one time event.
 
If the CEL returns after a few drive cycles what have you lost, 10% extra on a tank of gas...??
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Re: 99 ES 300 Won't shift into OD - Ever [pgood] by dsmcasey
Oct 17, 2008 (11:52 am)
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Replying to: pgood (Oct 15, 2008 10:44 am)

Pat,
 
The knock sensors are a VERY common problem with this vehicles (and other lexus/toyota vehicles of the same year). I found the part numbers on the clublexus site by searching in the forums. There is also a post about how to change them out and it includes pictures and step by step instructions. It's not a terrible job but it does involve removing the intake manifold, which can be a pain. I got the sensors from carson toyota for less than what you are paying. Also, the WIRING is USUALLY the culprit, not the sensors. BUT, to get to the wiring you have to take off the manifold, and while you're in there you might as well replace the sensors sense there's no gaurantee that they weren't the culprit as well.
 
Thanks,
Casey

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