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You are in the Mazda CX-9
What is this discussion about?
Mazda CX-9, Honda Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Car Comparisons, SUV
#402 of 549 Re: sales, Sep, 2009 [citivas]
Oct 12, 2009 (1:00 pm)
Somehow the sales figures I posted re-ignited the discussion. Great.
That title should really be changed to
Highlander, Pilot and CX9, now that even 2010 CX9 is available at dealerships.
Believe it or not, most people buy vehicles based on brand reliability reputation. Honda/Toyota obviously have the upper hands. Most people I know questioned my decision to go with Mazda. Their questions are all alike. "Is Mazda reliable?"
I guess no one would ask such questions if I had purchased a Honda/Toyota.
Well, IMHO, competition is good for everyone looking to buy a 7/8-seat CUV.
Lots of CX9's electronics integration flukes have been addressed in 2009 and also 2010 already. My CX9 continues to impress me everyday. I love driving it.
The brake is strong, on par with my ex-1998 BMW 540iA.
Most of vehicles I owned before have been Hondas. Poor brakes? Definitely! They were scary under hard braking, if you ask me. Reliable? Definitely. None of the 5 Hondas I owned had any single problem after 7 years of ownership. That speaks volume. After 21K miles, my CX9 showed one window problem. Though a very minor assembly issue, it still counts as one in my book.
A major downside with CX9 to me is the city-driving MPG. Expect 15mpg for AWD and 16-17mpg for FWD. I guess it comes with 3.7L engine, and wider tires (245mm) than competitors' offerings. With a 4500lb vehicle, 15mpg isn't too bad, but no where near good.
#403 of 549 Re: sales, Sep, 2009 [ceric]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Oct 12, 2009 (2:16 pm)
title should really be changed to Highlander, Pilot and CX9
#404 of 549 Re: sales, Sep, 2009 [steve_]
by vg33e power
Oct 12, 2009 (2:37 pm)
You may want to add Acadia and Traverse in the mix as well because most people compare these 5 CUV's Just an idea!
#405 of 549 Re: sales, Sep, 2009 [vg33e power]
Oct 12, 2009 (3:16 pm)
In case you didnt know (not being a smart aleck, just trying to help ) there is a Crossover SUV forum as well, for a less specific discussion, besides these three.
#406 of 549 Re: sales, Sep, 2009 [vg33e power]
Oct 12, 2009 (4:15 pm)
Great idea. After all, GM quadruplets sell as many units as the other three combined. How about
"GM Lambda vs Honda Pilot vs Toyota Highlander vs CX-9"
CUV includes many 5-seaters. This thread should focus on 7/8 seaters only.
Oct 21, 2009 (6:12 am)
First off, let me say I took better part of an hour yesterday reading throught his 41 page thread and I learned a lot. Citivas, I have to say a million thanks for all your input over time. It seems my vetting purchase for buying $30+ worth of sheet metal is the same as yours! Ive got a 3yr old and 6 month old and may have a 3rd in a few years.
I initally wanted to lease, in the hopes of buying a more fuel efficient hybrid like CUV in a few years but I can't bank on that risk and I'd like to take advantage of the tax bennie this year.
That said, my wife needs car and the Pilot was the top contender (after looking at all the others noted in this thread EXCEPT the CX9. We never even thought about the CX9 based on the 4/09 consumers reports, with reliability being a concern. My second concern with the CX9 is resale. But with the incentives available right now, 1.9%, its a huge consideration.
What is now being said about their long term reliability of the CX9?
Also, this is my only gripe, having read it on edmunds....
"All I can say is in normal world use (not crashes), the Pilot brakes great. ... we donít have issues with it not stopping quickly enough"
How about stopping short? That is what is setting a fear of Honda in me. If she stops short, is that a problem? Has anyone with a Pilot noted ANY braking problems? I mean, in all consideration, that may be my dealbreaker on the Pilot.
About cx9 vs pilot interior space, braking distances, How did you find the interior space of the CX9 compared to the Pilot? I've read Pilot has better use/more places to stash stuff but have also heard the cx9 is roomy.
fitting 3 car seats across in the second row. the Pilot boasts this, but can the CX9 swing it?
new consumers reports on resales- is there any new info on this that is different from the 4/09 issue?
"In any event, I know we bought it because our prioritizes were safety first"
That is my main and again, I am concerned with these braking distance reports.
As I pulled into my office this morning, I saw a 10 Pilot across the street. I dont love the look either but I have to say, being a HUGE fan of the really retro Toyota FJ Cruiser (totally impractical for us), perhaps that is why I do like its look?
So my biggest concerns are brakes and resale value Thoughts please? going to look at CX9 car tonight and the Pilot AGAIN.
#408 of 549 Re: WOW! [mirrodie1]
Oct 21, 2009 (6:42 am)
i can't speak to the braking on the Pilot (leave that to others).
with regards to:
"fitting 3 car seats across in the second row. the Pilot boasts this, but can the CX9 swing it?"
- no, you cannot put 3 LATCH-system carseats in the 2nd-row of the CX-9 (nor ANY LATCH carseats in the 3rd-row). you possibly could do two carseats and a booster (nonLATCH) in the middle, but not sure they would all fit.
as far as roominess, you can look the specs up on each car to see the cubic feet, but ultimately you need to look at both cars and determine for yourself what feels roomiest to you. i hardly think that will be the deal breaker though...
i do remember a long-distance road test review of the CX-9 from edmunds or car&driver noting that after ~40k miles they had no extra costs than regular maintenance....not sure you will get a report on much longer reliability testing than that considering the model has only been out since 2007.
Oct 21, 2009 (6:56 am)
If you have a bunch of little kids, I think a minivan is the only way to go. We had 4 kids in 4 years and that's the only way I'd go. Much more storage room for the playpens, strollers, diaper bag, and many other accoutrements of babydom.
It never ceases to amaze me when I see people shortchange themselves because of vanity. So many women (and men) won't dare to be seen in a minivan because of some ridiculous image problem they will have with themselves if they buy one.
#410 of 549 Re: Why not a minivan? [4kids3dogs2cat]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Oct 21, 2009 (7:09 am)
Or even if you don't have kids. Maybe if they renamed them to something else. But we digress:
SUV vs Minivans
#411 of 549 Re: Why not a minivan? [4kids3dogs2cat]
Oct 21, 2009 (7:13 am)
i think you are being a bit presumptuous to assume all CUV buyers are "vain" in their avoidance of minivans. For example, since we live in the Northeast, traction during the winter is very important to us and so we prefer AWD vehicles. There is no AWD option on the Odyssey and the Sienna AWD is not much of a bargain compared to large CUVs either. i have friends who own an Odyssey who say on icy days their minivan is slipping and sliding all over the place.
I do admit that once you are at 3+ kids, it takes some creativity to comfortably seat them in a CUV and retain cargo space...