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What is this discussion about? Mazda CX-9, Honda Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Car Comparisons, SUV

2009 Honda Pilot vs. 2008 Mazda CX-9 vs. 2008 Toyota Highlander - Although we've been hearing about a mad dash to get out of sport-utility vehicles and into fuel-efficient compacts, the reality is that seven- and eight-passenger crossover SUVs like the 2008 Mazda CX-9, 2008 Toyota Highlander and 2009 Honda Pilot aren't going away anytime soon. (more)


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Re: [lithnights] by gks1969
Aug 27, 2009 (6:29 pm)
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Replying to: lithnights (Feb 05, 2009 7:11 pm)

Just have to say that we recently purchased a 2009 CX-9 and we have 2 kids ages 22 and 36 months. With the car seats latched in (two boosters with harness - Graco 3 in 1) there is access to the roomy 3rd row. Both sides of 2nd row 40/60 split slide all the way forward with the carseats latched. We are thrilled with the car so far.
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [jcpharm] by 4kids3dogs2cat
Aug 29, 2009 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: jcpharm (Aug 17, 2009 6:48 am)

Yes, a smooth, luxurious ride is now a top priority, My current 2004 Sienna is an AWD, which has a very harsh ride, especially when it had the run-flat tires. Now that I have regular tires, the ride is better, but not great. Now the car doesn't have a spare tire, so that will probably hurt me on trade-in. I have read in numerous places that many Sienna owners were dumping their run-flats and going with regular tires and keeping a air pump (car powered) and a can of fix-a-flat in their storage drawer. That's what I've done for the past few years, with no ill effects.
 
I've very leery of the CX-9 with the 20 inch tires and it's "firm" ride. But I need features like powered rear liftgate, auto on-off headlights and other creature comforts that the Sienna has.
 
You're right, I just checked Consumers reports and the R-Class has a bad reliability record. But I did find a 2007 with 15K miles for the low $30K area, but it is not a CPO, so that is a red flag. Maybe the 2010 CX-9 will have more options in the models w/o the 20 in. tires?
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [4kids3dogs2cat] by jcpharm
Aug 29, 2009 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: 4kids3dogs2cat (Aug 29, 2009 7:44 am)

Other possibilities to consider then:
1) Used Acura MDX (more luxurious and responsive ride and hopefully can get CPO)
2) New 2010 CX-9 Touring loaded with options you might like (although Nav might only be available in GT as an option but you will get the "softer" 18" wheels)
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [4kids3dogs2cat] by ceric
Aug 29, 2009 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: 4kids3dogs2cat (Aug 29, 2009 7:44 am)

I am sure your dealer will be more happy to swap out your 20" wheels with 18".
People pay $$$ to go vice versa.
CX9 GT has the features you listed: power-liftgate, auto-on/off headlight.
What other creature comfort that your Sienna has that CX9 GT does not?
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [ceric] by 4kids3dogs2cat
Aug 29, 2009 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: ceric (Aug 29, 2009 10:52 am)

That's an excellent idea of swapping the tires if the ride is overly harsh. I guess the features I need are all in the GT. And probably some I don't want. I need heated seats, power seats, auto headlights, power liftgate, good storage for CD's, AWD, roof rack, two power receptacles in dashboard, good AM radio reception and some decent power to the stereo. (Sienna stinks in the area of AM radio and music amp power), and perhaps a sunglasses holder that can actually hold a pair of sunglasses, and a gas gauge warning light that gives you warning well before you only have 10 miles left in the tank. I could go on about my Sienna, but my blood pressure is rising now.
 
I don't want blue dashboard instrument lighting (have it now on my Sienna-dislike), no NAV system(got my own that I'll plop on the dash for the few times I need it), no LCD display on stereo (hard to read in daylight and can't read with polarized sunglasses-Sienna stinks again), no run-flat tires (really stinks, grrr!)
 
Thanks for everyone's replies thus far.
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [4kids3dogs2cat] by milleniafan
Aug 30, 2009 (12:12 am)
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Replying to: 4kids3dogs2cat (Aug 29, 2009 11:30 am)

I drove my dad's R350 4matic for a few months last year. During that time, the battery died and blew the dash display fuse. All in all, I liked the 7 passenger wagon. The 3rd row is very easy to access. I even considered buying one myself a few weeks ago. However, when I drove the CX9, I felt that the MB R350 was not worth the extra 20K to me. My dad was able to be a very good deal on the MB R350, unfortunately, these deals are very hard to come by now.
 
For last two weeks, I test drove the Highlander, MDX, and Pilot. I look for handling, 3rd row space and value when testing these CUVs. Here are my 2cents.
 
Highlander: The handling was OK, the 3rd row was too small, and the sport model with leather was about 33K without bargaining.
 
MDX: The handling was good, the 3rd row was small, and the base model was about 38K if the dealer could locate one for me.
 
Pilot: The handling was OK, the 3rd row OK, and the EX-L was about 32K.
 
In the end, I bought the CX9 last week. The dealer had the color I wanted. The CX9's handling is good, the 3rd row space is OK, but I was able to buy the touring at thousands less. Hands down, the CX9 with current pricing, offers the best value.
 
Now, I am thinking to buying 20inch wheels and new tires to improve handling. I do not mind the harsh ride.
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [milleniafan] by 4kids3dogs2cat
Aug 30, 2009 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: milleniafan (Aug 30, 2009 12:12 am)

And I don't want xenon headlights. We had one of the very first BMW X5's the first year they came out and those headlights were terrible. The line of demarcation between light and no light was much too low and, IMO, was dangerous because over and down hills you couldn't see the whole scene in front of you. For us in deer country, it was a bad choice. Have they improved the visible lighting area of xenon headlights since then?
 
As to the Mazda loyalty program, do you have to own one now or do you merely had to have owned one in the past? We used to own a 626-four wheel steering car. That's right, all four wheels turned and it was quite helpful when parallel parking. It was amusing when we showed our friends the back wheels actually turned a little bit. Mazda was certainly innovative at the time.
 
And another hot button for us is 3rd row access. Our Sienna has captain chairs for the middle row and it is so easy to go between them to get to the 3rd row. You don't have to touch anything. All of these CUV's I see, seem to have the requirement that you must touch and adjust the middle seat in some way, which is a hassle if someone is sitting in that seat at the time someone wants to get in the back. Kids fight over the silliest things.
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [4kids3dogs2cat] by ceric
Aug 31, 2009 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: 4kids3dogs2cat (Aug 30, 2009 6:28 am)

You have to show a valid title to prove that you own a Mazda for the loyalty program rebate. One owned by your immediate family (husband/wife) members may also be allowed (check with the salesperson).
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [4kids3dogs2cat] by wdhyte
Aug 31, 2009 (6:45 pm)
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Replying to: 4kids3dogs2cat (Aug 30, 2009 6:28 am)

man I *love* the xenon lamps...never had a vehicle w/them and they're great...course I haven't had a vehicle as low as the CX9 in over 10 years either (compared to an F150) so that may be influencing me a tad (brightness, vis to distance, etc)...but I like em. But what's this nonsense that I can't change them? that the dealer has to because they're HV??
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [wdhyte] by ceric
Sep 01, 2009 (9:52 am)
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Replying to: wdhyte (Aug 31, 2009 6:45 pm)

>> But what's this nonsense that I can't change them?
 
Certainly you can do it by yourself.
The HID bulbs of CX9 is not extremely white (somewhere around 4500k only).
Many have replaced it with other bulbs that are higher in K. It depends on whether you like them or not. For me, those OE are fine.
HID needs to have clear cut-off at top edge to prevent blinding the on-coming traffic. Have you seen the non-HID vehicles with HID bulbs coming at you?!
Their lights are blinding, therefore, dangerous to others.
I believe it is DoT requirement to have clear cut-off at top edge. I am not entirely sure about this. One certainly can google the vehicle codes for it.
 
Replacing HID (right hand side - from driver seat view) requires removing the coolant tank (reservoir). That is probably why some rumor (maybe started by dealers) that you need dealers to replace the bulb. Not true. If you are handy, you can do anything. Removing the coolant tank is actually a 5-minute job.
 

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