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2009 Honda Pilot vs. 2008 Mazda CX-9 vs. 2008 Toyota Highlander - Although we've been hearing about a mad dash to get out of sport-utility vehicles and into fuel-efficient compacts, the reality is that seven- and eight-passenger crossover SUVs like the 2008 Mazda CX-9, 2008 Toyota Highlander and 2009 Honda Pilot aren't going away anytime soon. (more)


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Re: Mercedes test drive? [aviboy97] by jcpharm
Aug 17, 2009 (6:48 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 17, 2009 6:42 am)

not only that, CPO will drive up the price to pay for the warranty.
 
why an R-class? is interior comfort/luxury your most important priority? It has substantially less power (260hp for R350 and 210hp for R320), worse handling and only the R320 BlueTec gets better gas mileage (21mpg combined). I doubt it has more interior room than CX-9/Pilot/Highlander....and make sure it is not a rear-wheel drive R350 if you are in a snowy/wet area (R320s are all AWD i believe).
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [4kids3dogs2cat] by carmama
Aug 17, 2009 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: 4kids3dogs2cat (Aug 17, 2009 4:58 am)

I checked one out in the showroom about a year and a half ago, but did not test drive. It was a very comfortable vehicle and the R320 was intriguing. A new one was out of our price range by about $20K, so it never made the short list. I would be concerned about reliability on a used Mercedes unless you get a warranty that covers the entire period that you plan to own it. It will be much more expensive to fix than a Mazda, Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford, etc.
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [carmama] by ceric
Aug 17, 2009 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: carmama (Aug 17, 2009 11:32 am)

Anyone who had owned BMW/MB will tell you this...(and I did)
unless your MB/BMW is covered under some sort of warranty (OE, CPO, EW, whatever), be prepared to budget money for expensive repairs and maintenance.
 
Some folks will greatly tell you that, if you can't afford those expensive repairs (which actually happen quite often for German vehicles after 3-4 years), you are probably not "qualified" to own one. What I am saying is this.
If you are thinking about owning a $50K German vehicles for long term, make sure that you can afford a $100K one financially.
Otherwise, lease one (BMW covers all maintenance cost!) and return it at the end of lease.
 
When I owned my BMW 540iA (1998-2007), I spent about $1000 average per year FIXING that bimmer. (after OE warranty expried)
Brake pad/rotors per aisle costs about $1000 to replace, just so that you have a feeling of how much you are looking at. BTW, German use soft steel for rotors so that the pads and rotors HAVE TO be replaced simultaneously.
 
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Choice was CX-9 by newawdcx9
Aug 18, 2009 (4:27 pm)
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I am the recent buyer of a 2009 AWD Touring. I am a researcher and I test drove the following cars, Honda Pilot (2nd choice but too noisy and poor handling), Highlander (Yawn and too expensive), GMC Acadia/Chevy Traverse (too expensive harsh transmission), Sante Fe (good value but too small, poor handling), Veracruz (too expensive, poor handling), Flex (styling too weird).
I choose the AWD Touring as I needed 3500 lb towing capacity and I am not a big gadget fan so I didn't want the Grand Touring. Also the CX-9 had the best handling. After 16 years with a Suburban I needed something close to a car and the CX-9 fit the bill. Mazda has great incentives and the CX-9 is likely the best value in this lineup.
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Re: [lithnights] by gks1969
Aug 27, 2009 (6:29 pm)
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Replying to: lithnights (Feb 05, 2009 7:11 pm)

Just have to say that we recently purchased a 2009 CX-9 and we have 2 kids ages 22 and 36 months. With the car seats latched in (two boosters with harness - Graco 3 in 1) there is access to the roomy 3rd row. Both sides of 2nd row 40/60 split slide all the way forward with the carseats latched. We are thrilled with the car so far.
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [jcpharm] by 4kids3dogs2cat
Aug 29, 2009 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: jcpharm (Aug 17, 2009 6:48 am)

Yes, a smooth, luxurious ride is now a top priority, My current 2004 Sienna is an AWD, which has a very harsh ride, especially when it had the run-flat tires. Now that I have regular tires, the ride is better, but not great. Now the car doesn't have a spare tire, so that will probably hurt me on trade-in. I have read in numerous places that many Sienna owners were dumping their run-flats and going with regular tires and keeping a air pump (car powered) and a can of fix-a-flat in their storage drawer. That's what I've done for the past few years, with no ill effects.
 
I've very leery of the CX-9 with the 20 inch tires and it's "firm" ride. But I need features like powered rear liftgate, auto on-off headlights and other creature comforts that the Sienna has.
 
You're right, I just checked Consumers reports and the R-Class has a bad reliability record. But I did find a 2007 with 15K miles for the low $30K area, but it is not a CPO, so that is a red flag. Maybe the 2010 CX-9 will have more options in the models w/o the 20 in. tires?
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [4kids3dogs2cat] by jcpharm
Aug 29, 2009 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: 4kids3dogs2cat (Aug 29, 2009 7:44 am)

Other possibilities to consider then:
1) Used Acura MDX (more luxurious and responsive ride and hopefully can get CPO)
2) New 2010 CX-9 Touring loaded with options you might like (although Nav might only be available in GT as an option but you will get the "softer" 18" wheels)
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [4kids3dogs2cat] by ceric
Aug 29, 2009 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: 4kids3dogs2cat (Aug 29, 2009 7:44 am)

I am sure your dealer will be more happy to swap out your 20" wheels with 18".
People pay $$$ to go vice versa.
CX9 GT has the features you listed: power-liftgate, auto-on/off headlight.
What other creature comfort that your Sienna has that CX9 GT does not?
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [ceric] by 4kids3dogs2cat
Aug 29, 2009 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: ceric (Aug 29, 2009 10:52 am)

That's an excellent idea of swapping the tires if the ride is overly harsh. I guess the features I need are all in the GT. And probably some I don't want. I need heated seats, power seats, auto headlights, power liftgate, good storage for CD's, AWD, roof rack, two power receptacles in dashboard, good AM radio reception and some decent power to the stereo. (Sienna stinks in the area of AM radio and music amp power), and perhaps a sunglasses holder that can actually hold a pair of sunglasses, and a gas gauge warning light that gives you warning well before you only have 10 miles left in the tank. I could go on about my Sienna, but my blood pressure is rising now.
 
I don't want blue dashboard instrument lighting (have it now on my Sienna-dislike), no NAV system(got my own that I'll plop on the dash for the few times I need it), no LCD display on stereo (hard to read in daylight and can't read with polarized sunglasses-Sienna stinks again), no run-flat tires (really stinks, grrr!)
 
Thanks for everyone's replies thus far.
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Re: Mercedes test drive? [4kids3dogs2cat] by milleniafan
Aug 30, 2009 (12:12 am)
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Replying to: 4kids3dogs2cat (Aug 29, 2009 11:30 am)

I drove my dad's R350 4matic for a few months last year. During that time, the battery died and blew the dash display fuse. All in all, I liked the 7 passenger wagon. The 3rd row is very easy to access. I even considered buying one myself a few weeks ago. However, when I drove the CX9, I felt that the MB R350 was not worth the extra 20K to me. My dad was able to be a very good deal on the MB R350, unfortunately, these deals are very hard to come by now.
 
For last two weeks, I test drove the Highlander, MDX, and Pilot. I look for handling, 3rd row space and value when testing these CUVs. Here are my 2cents.
 
Highlander: The handling was OK, the 3rd row was too small, and the sport model with leather was about 33K without bargaining.
 
MDX: The handling was good, the 3rd row was small, and the base model was about 38K if the dealer could locate one for me.
 
Pilot: The handling was OK, the 3rd row OK, and the EX-L was about 32K.
 
In the end, I bought the CX9 last week. The dealer had the color I wanted. The CX9's handling is good, the 3rd row space is OK, but I was able to buy the touring at thousands less. Hands down, the CX9 with current pricing, offers the best value.
 
Now, I am thinking to buying 20inch wheels and new tires to improve handling. I do not mind the harsh ride.

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