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2009 Honda Pilot vs. 2008 Mazda CX-9 vs. 2008 Toyota Highlander - Although we've been hearing about a mad dash to get out of sport-utility vehicles and into fuel-efficient compacts, the reality is that seven- and eight-passenger crossover SUVs like the 2008 Mazda CX-9, 2008 Toyota Highlander and 2009 Honda Pilot aren't going away anytime soon. (more)
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Replying to: qs933 (Aug 02, 2008 2:13 am) Indeed, I overlooked the sales figure of Highlander for July,2007. In May, 2007, Highlander sold almost 12,000 unit. Check autodeadline.com for data. I assumed that two months should not make such drop in sales. Boy! I was wrong! My mistake in that sense. On AWD, I need to check my CX9 workshop menual to see if there is any reference to the aforementioned limited slip differential.
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Replying to: ceric (Aug 02, 2008 9:54 pm) I assumed that two months should not make such drop in sales. Boy! I was wrong! My mistake in that sense. No problem. I can understand viewing roughly 2,000 units as nothing more than a rounding error when you're talking about sales volume. I don't remember when the 2008 Highlander first hit dealers' lots last summer, but I wouldn't be surprised if sales dropped as the '07s were blown out and the '08s made their way to shore. In any case, I don't think it really matters if one vehicle sells more than another. Mass market popularity doesn't necessarily equate to superiority.
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Replying to: qs933 (Aug 03, 2008 1:28 am) You did mean 1,000 right? (13000-12000 = 1000, not 2000)  1000/12000 is about 8% off. True, the Highlander sale dropped because of '08 coming out. Between 12/06 to 05/07 Highlander was selling between 10,000 to 12,000 every month.
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Replying to: ceric (Aug 03, 2008 8:41 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 02, 2008 5:42 am)  The Ford press release I posted stated several times that the AWD system in the Fusion, and a couple of other models, does shift power to individual wheels. That's the first I've heard of that too and I'm just fishing to see if anyone knows if it's true or not. Based on the information in this article that I the original question was posed, I'm guessing no one will say it is true. 
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Replying to: baggs32 (Aug 03, 2008 6:00 pm) |
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Seeing the going prices on 08 MDX models, base model going for 33K, and top-of-the-line between 36K - 37K, certainly cutting into sales of top-end models of both platforms. Dunno what CX-9 purchasers cross-shop with though,
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Replying to: ch1rravu (Aug 06, 2008 2:01 pm) To me, the extra horse power/torque is not why I buy SUV/CUV for. I can complete understand the point of high-end luxury and sports car requiring premium fuel, though. People who buy them probably could care less about gas price. People are getting a fully loaded 2008 CX9 (MSRP for $40K+) for $31K to $33K. According to you, that is still less than the "base" model of MDX. Granted, MDX is more sporty (pulling 0.84g instead of 0.8g) and has better SH-AWD (instead of ATS-AWD). MDX is not as dominating as few years ago when Acura can charge mark-up over MSRP for them. Those days are long gone. I considered MDX before I bought CX9, but few things turned me off. - expensive (at least $8000 more comparably equipped - MSRP-wise) - small (wider but smaller in all else) - premium gas - no SmartKey (I am addicted to it. My key is always in my pocket.) - Acura does not give you better service than Honda/Toyota/Mazda but charge you more for it. |
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As much as I had aversion on Premium fuel, it may ought to be a lesser turn-off these days. Say, you find a decent station that has premimum gas 20 cents over unleaded gas  3.80., its about 5% premium over your total Gas bill. Hence, premium fuel argument is less compelling these days .. compared to yester years. (Obviously, folks say, when gas prices are already that high, why pay an even a penny extra !? Can't debate too much on psychological/emotional points !! Compare that to 20 cents when the gas prices were $1.30 ., it was over 15% extra on your total gas bill compared to the unleaded gas bill !! One of my cars accepts both, with regular/unleaded it gives decent performance, while with Premium gas, it gives out about 4% more horses with lean burning and better compression (company spec numbers, I am not making up ..). So, when/if I find a gas station with only 20 cents over unleaded prices, I rather fill-up with premium these days (see the above 5% only extra in bill point). But I do see there are a few gas stations - that want to charge 30 cents or more for premium., if their regular price is decent, I simply go with regular gas. By all means - I won't recommend premium for cars that are happy with regular gas, and have no added benefit with Premium gas .. |
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I think we were all wrong here about how the CX-9's AWD system works. I looked in the shop manual for the CX-9, and it is in fact a full-time AWD system. I believe it's something like 60-40 default. It's also a has viscus cupping diff's that can send power to either side of the car. There is also no limited slip like some there thought it had.
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